Talk:London Waterloo station/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 19:02, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

The usual pedantry commences...

Pedantry? It's comments that will help make an article better - so no problem from my side. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

• "Main Line" all the way through now, apparently, "main line".

Done, there's been some recent debate on WT:UKRAIL about this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:34, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• " (/ˌwɔːtərˈluː/)[5]," horrible ref placement, not even sure it's needed.

I don't think so - it's not like Chiswick or Leicester Square which get mispronounced - even tourists from Podunk, Iowa know what "water" is, and one word that rhymes with "loo". And anyone who's old enough will remember Abba. Anyway, I digress. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:34, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• "central London terminus " that links to the group, but we probably need to link "terminus" really, as it's a bit of a technical term...
• Once again, three refs in the lead? Probably no need for any of them (apart from maybe the IPA, but probably not even that), as they should all be in the main body...
• "to Exeter via Salisbury" the first is a place, the second a railway station. Confusing. I would check this consistency (or otherwise) throughout.

In this particular instance, it's because the WEML goes to Exeter Central and Exeter St David's, neither of which seems to have prominence over the other, whereas Salisbury only has the one station. We could change it to Exeter St David's as that's the terminal station and also a main stop on the GWR from Bristol to Plymouth. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:34, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• "with a confusing arrangement and platform numbers." doesn't read right.
• "redesigned and rebuilt and re-opened " three re's, just one hyphenated, why?
• "Waterloo is the busiest railway station in Britain. It is the largest station in the UK..." isn't it the busiest in the UK or does N'Iron have a station I'm not aware of? Why the different entities?
• " twenty-four platforms" 24 per MOSNUM.
• Infobox - Hungerford Bridge is piped to Hungerford Bridges which then redirects. Cut out the middle man.
• Loads of London bus routes piped to redirects.
• Location section could probably be two paras rather than three with that single-sentence para in its midst.
• Could link Acts of Parliament in the United Kingdom.
• "Wandsworth, Wimbledon, Kingston, Ditton Marsh and Weybridge" again, a mix of places and stations.
• "The station was opened on 11 July 1848 as "Waterloo Bridge Station" and designed by William Tite." for me the logic of that sentence works better in reverse. It's design then the opening.
• Not wishing to be mean, but do we all know what a "through station" is?
• "no adequate buildings that befitted a full terminus" [according to whom?]
• "grow in Waterloo" in or at?
• "the Windsor Station" the?
• "became through-station" looks and reads odd, and not sure what it means (see above) so would opt for "became a through station".
• "ad-hoc" I don't think that's hyphenated.
• "whilst " I like it, others prefer the more modern (i.e. 20th century) "while".
• Not sure of the utility of linking Khartoum, certainly without some kind of explanation for the link.
• "taxi" is common term, no linkie.
• "By 1899 Waterloo" comma after 1899.
• "By 1899 Waterloo had 16 platform roads but only 10 platform numbers due to platforms in different sections of the station or on different levels sometimes duplicating the number of a platform elsewhere" spot the "platform" repeats....
• "Instead, an Act passed in 1893 authorising a tube railway." grammar.
• Followed by " a 'tube' underground railway" which places 'tube' within apostrophes. Wrong way round.
• What's a "branch siding"?
• "Construction of the main continued " main what?
• "platforms[30] and a 700-foot (210 m) long concourse.[29] " move ugly ref placement.
• " for inspiration.[31] followed by Alfred Weeks Szlumper " something very amiss here.
• "Portland Stone" has a link at Portland stone and doesn't capitalise Stone either.
• If you wish to link "counties" then link it to something UK-specific.
• " except for an explosion on one of the lines" any more on that? I guess it was from an airborne bomb?
• "The main pedestrian entrance, the Victory Arch (known as Exit 5), was designed by Scott and is a memorial to company staff who were killed during the two world wars." reads odd because the last date you gave was 1922 so no WWII existed. Plus most of the time people capitalise World War...
• "showing Peace sitting on Earth" why obfuscate Pax to Peace? Make it explicit.
• "the Hounslow loop" do we all know what that means?
• Southern Railway is piped to a redirect.
• "third-electrification" no hyphen required.
• "A loudspeaker tannoy system" tautological and tannoy is a trademark ....
• "In 1934, the SR planned to invest £500,000 t" inflate for context please. And all other such values.
• "with significant delays to mail traffic, with over" with...with is a little clumsy.
• "British Rail and Privatisation" no need to capitalise the latter.
• " to British Railways. Under British Rail, " repetitive and inconsistent.
• "of the Southern Region. During the time of the Southern Region" repetitive.
• "also under BR." add the abbreviation beforehand, Rail or Railways?!
• "in April 1994[42] and finally, in 2002, to Network Rail.[43]" move ref so it's not so awkwardly placed.
• Link Eurostar in the Eurostar section.
• Could also link Gare du Nord and Brussels Midi for consistency.
• CTRL isn't used so ditch it.
• "There have been few accidents at Waterloo compared to other stations." context? e.g. compared to say Ipswich railway station?
• "overran beyond its" no need for "beyond".
• " a linesman accidentally" what's a "linesman" here?
• " The engine dropped into the shaft, ending up upside-down and spurting steam everywhere." which shaft and "everywhere"? Sounds like Roald Dahl had a hand in it.
• "two 4COR electric multiple units" what's 4COR? But avoid WP:SEAOFBLUE.
• "with an engineers train" presumably an apostrophe is missing here.
• "There are over 130 automated" more than.
• ", plus another 27 i" reads poorly, perhaps "in addition to 27..."
• Don't use PCSO before explaining it. Some Brits might get PCSO but most of the rest of the universe won't.
• " 2015/16," should't that just be an en-dash?
• Again, Britain or the UK?
• "Waterloo railway station alone is the 91st-busiest in the world" needs an "as of".
• " sees the most changes" what does that mean?
• " 1,600 trains per day carrying over 651,000 passengers, " a total of more than... each train doesn't carry "over 651k"....
• explain tph
• Richmond is a dab.
• " Guildford via Cobham[81]," etc, bad ref placement
• "(as detailed above in Mainline)" etc, what?
• " A-D" en-dash.
• Don't bother piping Greenwich to a redirect which directs back to Greenwich......
• colloquially known as "The Drain" needs a ref.
• " Baker Street & Waterloo Railway" and, not ampersand.
• "from eight cars to ten." etc. puke. carriages.
• " as it will entail a substantial " still "would" isn't it?
• "Former international platforms" probably needs an update given the recent works and recent disruption.
• BAA is piped to a redirect....
• "connecting London Euston station and " just Euston is fine.
• " The Generation of Alternatives by Jane Boyd" shouldn't the name of the artwork be in italics?
• " Derek "Del Boy" Trotter " just Del Boy is fine.
• "Jerome K. Jerome" be consistent with linking, K. or K
• "In Robert Louis Stevenson & Lloyd Osbourne's " and not ampersand in prose.
• War of the Worlds is actually The War of the Worlds.
• Consistent ISBN format please.

That's it from a quick Saturday night run-through. Placing on hold pending resolution of pedant's commentary. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

What is wrong with piping to a redirect? Or if you prefer, which of the GA criteria does this fall foul of? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:17, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Do you mean, gosh, what a comprehensive and thorough review, the like of which is seldom ever seen at GAN, you're really setting a new standard TRM?!! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:33, 17 September 2017 (UTC)