User talk:Ian (Wiki Ed)

Repeat: Abandoned course at University of Southern California? And offer to help with sanitation-related articles

Hi User:Ian (Wiki Ed), I had put this on your talk page on 20 December but it was moved to the archive without an answer. So I am copying it again. If my question is not appropriate please let me know on my talk page. Otherwise, I'd love to see a response from you: Hi Ian, I come from the WikiProject Sanitation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sanitation). I saw on the page on groundwater pollution that a student from this course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/University_of_Southern_California/Ecological_Factors_in_Design_(Spring_2016) was meant to work on that page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Groundwater_pollution). Seems like nothing has happened though (since February 2016). I couldn't figure out from the course page if the course was abandoned or if just this one student abandoned the assignment? Could you let me know and perhaps also say something on the course page about it? - I also have a question where to find good example pages of where university instructors have successfully involved their students in editing Wikipedia articles. I've started a little list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sanitation#Student_assignments But I am sure you probably keep more comprehensive lists? If any university people are interested in getting students to work on pages that are tagged with the WikiProject Sanitation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sanitation#Lists_by_content) I would be happy to help, e.g. with regards to content, photos, structuring, referencing. EvMsmile (talk) 13:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi EvMsmile. Sorry about that - I saw your message and meant to get back to you, but it slipped my mind (and I missed it when I was archiving).

So the student who worked on groundwater pollution was BriManly, and they did end up making some edits. The course page actually has a link to the Wiki Ed Dashboard for the class, up in the top left. For this class, it's here. (Maintaining the education program extension wasn't on WMF's priorities, so we built our own. WMF now runs an implementation of it here; you can read more about it at meta:Programs & Events Dashboard.

As for compiling a more complete list - I should be able to put together a list of sanitation-related articles that students in courses that worked with us have done. I'll get back to you on that. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:28, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I look forward to seeing your list (it doesn't have to be a list of sanitation-related articles but a list of university courses in general where lecturers have used students to edit Wikipedia articles). If it was part of those dashboard links that you sent, I couldn't quite figure out how to find what I was looking for. EvMsmile (talk) 22:02, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Student on a GMO page

I noticed that User:Erica Liu, a student in this class, plans to work on Genetically modified organism, which is in the GMO group of articles that are subject to the messy Discretionary Sanctions from ArbCom. I'm letting you know, since you're the Wiki Ed person for the class, in case she needs to be advised about picking a different page. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. It looks like she has picked a less controversial (but perhaps equally challenging) article - green revolution. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the concern. I just changed it to the green revolution. Now, I am a little confused about how to choose topics. So should I give up this green revolution topic again?--Erica Liu (talk) 02:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Green revolution is a better choice than the GMO page at least for a student. The green revolution is a large topic, so there may be an area you can pick out for improvement, but it's also a rather fairly established article already too. As long your professor is basing your grade primarily on the draft you write up in your sandbox and you think you can gather enough additions to the original article, I think you'd be ok. It might be tougher moving those edits from your draft to the actual article, but that's entirely dependent upon whatever content you generate. I'd personally recommend a less established article for a student to flesh out, but you at least won't be dealing with as much controversy with the green revolution as GMOs. Kingofaces43 (talk) 03:43, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. It looks like Erica has also moved off of the Green Revolution page. Erica: I'm sorry your introduction to Wikipedia has been a hassle over this – and by the way, welcome to Wikipedia! What you got caught up in is that, a few years ago, there was a huge editorial battle over how to present material about GMOs, resulting in some very strict restrictions being enacted on all pages related to GMOs, in order to prevent further fighting among editors. As a result, it is very easy to do something unintentionally on those pages, that would lead to an administrator blocking you from editing. Obviously, no one wants that to happen, so we tend to try to steer student editors away from those topics. Many topics where there are present-day political disputes tend to have editing conflicts. I noticed that a lot of the students in your class are working on more specialized and less political topics about practical botany, and you might want to look for a short and incomplete article about a subject like that. Please feel free to ask Ian here, or me at User talk:Tryptofish, if you have any questions. Happy editing! --Tryptofish (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Ian, it looks like we have another one with MikeyYB (Mikey, the above discussion could also apply to you) as part of Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/UW_Bothell/B_WRIT_135_Research_Writing_(Winter_2018). I can't tell from the course page what their planned assignments are though. I'll note that Mikey has had a useful edit that just had some copyediting needed. Depending on what the assignments actually are, they might be able to edit in this topic without much issue, but it might be worth checking in with the professor to see they're planning for students. Kingofaces43 (talk) 16:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kingofaces43: Thanks for the heads-up. I saw the edits this morning. This class is only adding a couple sentences, and they're supposed to be done with the assignment, so the odds of running into problems are probably pretty low. I did check the other students sandboxes, and I didn't see any other controversial topics.

I think I'll encourage the instructor to have his students assign themselves the articles they want to work on in the future - that way, I will see if they assign themselves articles subject to DS. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:22, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, and I kind of was hoping this one would end up simpler than most, so I'm glad that was the case. Kingofaces43 (talk) 17:34, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Celsisa (talk)

Hello.

I need help with the general structure of the article I am revising. I added a section on the procedure of lumpectomies as well as its history but I just want to make sure that this is appropriate for this article and that it is cohesive.

--Celsisa (talk) 03:31, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from Azg717 (talk)

Hello!

I'd just like someone to evaluate my draft of edits for an existing article (High-dose chemotherapy and Bone Marrow Transplant). Any feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks so much!

--Azg717 (talk) 21:04, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from Mattdrodge (talk)

Hello.

I need help with a review of my first draft of my article. I added significant information into the Wildlife management section and added some information into the Animal handling section as well. I am not really sure where/if I should add more information.

Thank you, Matthew Drodge

--Mattdrodge (talk) 21:49, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from Lucaswalters (talk)

Hello.

I need help with making sure my format looks appropriate, also that my outline looks okay, and finally that I have properly used the citation tools

--Lucaswalters (talk) 02:10, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from Harandell (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

I completed a draft of what I aim to contribute to the Pant-hoot (call) article and was wondering if my format/headings are appropriately separated and if my content is making a significant contribution to the article.

Also, I would like to insert an audio clip into my article that I had found that is a good demonstration of a pant-hoot and was wondering how to go about doing it. It is from an open-access article, and I am unsure about copyright violations and whether I would be able to safely use the clip, and if so, how to upload/ insert it.

Thanks :)

--Harandell (talk) 05:00, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Help with Wikipedia Draft

Dear Ian,

Thank you for your thoughtful comments on my Wikipedia talk page! With your help, I learned how to choose and properly edit Wikipedia articles.

I tried using the “get help” button, but it kept linking me back to my sandbox, so I am writing a post on your talk page to ask if you can help provide some comments for a draft of my edits for the cancer prevention Wikipedia article in my sandbox.

Thank you very much for your time and help!

Best, Eric Eli 17 (talk) 05:06, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from Kmm257 (talk)

Hello.

My professor suggested I have you take a look at my draft. Any suggestions will be helpful!

--Kmm257 (talk) 14:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from Bf335 (talk)

Hello.

I was wondering if you could take a look at the formatting of my page. While playing with the layout I added one too many pictures and can't seem to delete them to free up space. Is there any special process for this? Also, if you could take a look at the content to make sure I am making a good contribution to the article that would be great.

Thank you!

--Bf335 (talk) 15:17, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from Iswwiki (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

I would love to get your feedback of if my current draft is to the standards of Wikipedia's quality and if my references are fairly placed. Thank you.

--Iswwiki (talk) 18:17, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from StuckInThought (talk)

Hi Ian,

Hope this message finds you doing well! I'm a member of the WikiEdu class for Science and Politics of Cancer at Yale, I was wondering if you'd be able to look over my rewrite for the Cancer Insurance article (it's under "Week 5" on my sandbox page) to give me some feedback. Specifically, I was hoping to get some advice for what else I can add to the article — I can't really seem to find many more sources besides the ones I've used, so it doesn't seem like I'll have much more content to add.

Thanks!

--StuckInThought (talk) 23:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from Seahorse17 (talk)

Hello.

I would really appreciate an evaluation of my draft.

Best Regards,

--Seahorse17 (talk) 05:21, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

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Reusing citations in sandbox

Hi Ian, I am not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I'm working on some article edits on [sandbox page], and I can't figure out how to "reuse" a citation. When I copy and paste the inline citation code, it repeats the citation so that I now have the same source listed twice. The options that I was given in the training (about using the drop down menu etc) don't seem to be available. Any advice is very much appreciated! Thanks, Shane Shane.blau (talk) 19:17, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Shane,

First, to link your sandbox page, don't use the whole url starting with http, just type this: [[User:Shane.blau/sandbox|my sandbox page]].

To reuse a citation, you must "name" the first (or any subsequent) occurrence of it. A fairly standard way is to use last name of author plus hyphen plus year as a name, so, for example, a good name might be "Kuhl-2007". Incorporate that name as an HTML attribute of the ref tag in the first ref tag. For all the other citations to the same source, just reuse the name in a ref tag with no content, and end with a slash before the ending angle bracket, thus:

• <ref name=Kuhl-2007">{{cite journal|last1=Kuhl|first1=Patricia|title=Cracking the speech code: How infants learn language|journal=Acoustical Science and Technology|date=2007|volume=28|issue=2|page=71–83}}</ref>
• <ref name=Kuhl-2007" />

Note that this only works, if both uses of the citation reference the exact same pages. If they don't, then do it like this, with no pages inside the ref, and a {{rp}} template following the end ref tag, to indicate the page numbers:

• <ref name=Kuhl-2007">{{cite journal|last1=Kuhl|first1=Patricia|title=Cracking the speech code: How infants learn language|journal=Acoustical Science and Technology|date=2007|volume=28|issue=2}}</ref>{{rp|71–83}}
• <ref name=Kuhl-2007" />{{rp|73, 78, 84–89}}

As one of Wikipedia's many arcane, niggly little points, note the use of en dash (–) in the page ranges, rather than hyphen (-); i.e., use '71–83', not '71-83'. But don't worry about this too much, as if you forget, a bot will come along and fix it up for you. It's more important to get the named refs right. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 20:53, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Shane, you can switch between the visual editor (which gives you the drop-down menus) and the wikicode editor (which appears to be what you're using) by following the instruction on this slide. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:00, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way: citation page numbers should be as specific as possible. If Kuhl's article is on pages 71 to 83 of the journal, but you used a statement Kuhl wrote on page 75 and 76 of the journal to verify your assertion in the Wikipedia article, then the page range in your citation should be 75–76. The citation documents where you found verifiable proof of your assertion(s); it does not document what pages of the journal the article occupies. So please be as restrictive as possible in page numbers, citing only the specific page numbers where the proof of your added content can be found. It's okay to use commas and dash-ranges, as in the last {{rp}} example above. Mathglot (talk) 21:05, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much Ian and Mathglot. This is all very helpful! I will be more precise with my citation pages. Shane.blau (talk) 21:26, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Help - feedback on draft of previously non-existing page

Hi Ian,

Could you give me some feedback on the draft of my page? There is still a lot of information to be added, and it's an ongoing process, but I'd like to see what you think of it before I get too far into things. The page is about fugitive gas emissions. I would like to know what needs to be fixed/changed before I consider moving it into the main space.

Thanks! --JustJordan (talk) 20:31, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from NicoleMorningStar (talk)

Hello.

I need help with editing my entry of an addition to the Northern Tutchone Language page. Here is my addition:

The Northern Tutchone are a First Nations people of the Athabaskan-speaking ethnolinguistic group living mainly in the central Yukon in Canada. The Northern Tutchone language, originally spoken by the Northern Tutchone people, is a variety of the Tutchone language, part of the Athabaskan language family. "Song Keeper" Jerry Alfred is leading a movement to keep the language alive through his music. Northern Tutchone First Nations governments and communities include: • First Nation of Nacho Nyak Dun (Mayo, Yukon) (Nacho Nyak Dun - ″Big River People″, because they called the Stewart River Na Cho Nyak, meaning Big River, most northerly Northern Tutchone First Nation) • Little Salmon/Carmacks First Nation (Carmacks, Yukon) (Tagé Cho Hudän - ″Big River People″, because they called their keystone place the Yukon River Tage Cho, meaning Big River and Little Salmon after their keystone species the Chinook Salmon) • Selkirk First Nation (Pelly Crossing, Yukon) (Hućha Hudän - ″Flatland People″, because of the landscape in Fort Selkirk, where the land is flat on both sides of the river) • White River First Nation (Beaver Creek, Yukon)

Oral History The Native people of the Yukon languages conveyed religion, traditions and views of their world through stories that have been transmitted intergenerationally. Like all natural languages, Northern Tutchone was originally an oral language. Typographic documentations showcase the concept of language and landscape and how each is reliant on the other. The Northern Tutchone call their language “Dan Ki” which means “our way” and refers to all Northern Tutchone traditional knowledge and cultural practices. “Dooli Dan Ki” is the traditional values in which the Northern Tutchone are to conduct themselves in everyday life. These values and morals are found in the Dooli Dan Ki Traditional Story line, to which language revitalization efforts have focused on publishing the oral histories. Northern Tutchone story telling has been remodified for the modern First Nation by the production of oral history children’s books and animations, in English and Northern Tutchone. The ethonopoetics of the Northern Tutchone contribute to anthropological time lines of the Northern Tutchone’s history, linguistics and mythologies. Similar epistemology can be found in the Dene of the Northwest Territories narratives.

References Gertie, T. (1987). Ekeyi: Gyo Cho Chu My Country: Big Salmon River. Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada: Yukon Native Language Centre. Carr, G. L. (2004). Northern Tutchone (Athabascan) Poetics (Doctoral dissertation, ProQuest Information and Learning Company, Ann Arbor). Retrieved February 10, 2018, from http://wcm.ucalgary.ca/dflynn/files/dflynn/carr_n_tutchone_poetics.pdf

Little Salmon Carmacks First Nation. (2016). Dooli Dan K'i Traditional Stories.

NTom — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicoleMorningStar (talk • contribs) 23:14, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from MCDB40Student81 (talk)

Hello Ian,

I have a start to my article down at the bottom of my sandbox. I think my biggest problem so far is that I cannot find too many sources for the history of VAMP other than the Mukherjee book, and I was wondering if you had any suggestions about this issue.

Thanks, Brendan

--MCDB40Student81 (talk) 04:30, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from Tmontford on Stephanie Arnold

Hello,

I need help with checking that my wikipedia article for Stephanie Arnold is not seen as advertisement, as it was recently deleted for. I have no organizational ties with the author herself but I am doing this wikipedia page for a college class we are assigned a author and must create a wikipedia page for them and this was my research. I will like to know what changes that I should make so that it seems less promotional. Will it be the citations that I have? I have also asked the other admin/contributor Shalor for their advice as well, since it will be nice to have both opinions.

Best,

Tmontford — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmontford (talk • contribs) 16:49, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Need help request from PinkPsych0626 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with... making a sandbox entry. i can not enter my sandbox without the box for assistance popping up.

--PinkPsych0626 (talk) 20:55, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need help request from Js7581 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with... moving my article to the main space. I am ready to move my article, Information centre hypothesis to the main space, but it is in my sandbox with a bunch of other paragraphs from the semester which were all required for my course. Should I delete everything from my sandbox that is not a part of my article? Is there a way to create a new sandbox with just my article, and then move that to the main space? Thank you so much!

Julia. --Js7581 (talk) 23:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)