Talk:Southern Victory

Terminology

This article should really use literary present terminology. 66.56.212.170 22:14, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Why are we using this terminology? It's just a name invented by one fan on one yahoogroup. RickK 08:36, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

I was going to ask the same question. I've been reading Turtledove's books for years and this is the first time I've heard the term "Timeline-191". Also, I'd like to see the various short articles on characters and plotlines consolidated into the main article. That said, I like the article as a whole. MK2 04:47, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

I used the term TL-191 because, as far as I know, there isn't any official term for this storyline. Fans used to call it the Great War series, but that's been made obsolete by the American Empire and Settling Accounts trilogies, which take place in the same universe. I realize that using a fanon name isn't a great solution, but I don't see any real options. Some combination of Harry Turtledove and alternate history may make a serviceable title. Or we could just name it the How Few Remain series. Khanartist 20:56, 2005 May 19 (UTC)

While calling all of the books part of "the Great War" series might not be 100% accurate, I feel it's a better solution than making up a new name for the series. MK2 06:22, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

American vs. US

The Feds, the Confederates, the Desereters (Deseretians?) are all American. In such a timeline, it would be likely that Canadians, Québecois, and even Mexicans are recogised as Americans, as they all inhabit the Americas. (I can't remember if it was the Great War series, or elsewhen where Confederates put up the objection that, as citizens of the Confederate States of America, they were also Americans) Should we switch over all references to Americans to US or Federal? samwaltz 11:53, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

The Federals should be referred to as Yankees or Feds. 132.205.46.166 22:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

We need a clean-up

While I like this series and have contributed to this article, I think it's clear we need a major clean-up. First, we need to come up with an overall name that's better than this invented one. Second, we should consolidate all the auxilary articles about fictional characters into a single article rather than a bunch of independant ones. Third, we should clean up the wiki links to real history articles that are talking about their alternative history counterparts. And fourth, we should do a complete overhaul of the article now that it's gotten so long. MK2 03:09, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I've started on the revision by creating a Characters in the Southern Victory series article. MK2 21:27, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Can someone tell me why it's expected the series will continue past the '40s and how far past?--HistoricalPisces 19:26, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

New lists?

I would personally suggest a list of all major/minor cameos/references to historical figures in the series, as they can be quite hard to keep track of/remember/decipher.

See the Characters in the Southern Victory series article. GABaker 19:10 UTC 29 September 2005.

What about: Timeline 191's Common Characters ? 132.205.46.166 22:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

World War I Map

The World War I Map I think contains several errors (albeit relatively minor ones)

• Mexico is on the Entente Side
• Liberia and Haiti both side with the Central Powers
• Italy is neutral
• Paraguay is, I think, with the Central Powers

Confusion over Japan

"To the surprise of the U.S. Navy, an assault on Midway Island revealed the Japanese had completely abandoned their garrison there. Many suspected the Japanese were concentrating their resources for an assault on British-held Malaya and Singapore. An amphibious assault on Wake Island some months later regained U.S. control of the island but also found no signs of the Japanese."

I'm confused. I was under the impression that the US, Germany and Austria-Hungary was opposed by the CSA, Britain, France, Russia and Japan - as such, why would the US find Japan building up to conquer Singapore and Hong Kong, considering that they were both British; Britain and Japan are allies, i thought. At least they were the first time around with the Battle of the Three Navies. Can someone more familiar with these series comment, or set the article straight? Thankyou in advance. 220.235.142.170 07:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Northern Maine

"Humiliating terms of surrender were placed on the United States, including the annexation of most of northern Maine to Canada."

It's my belief that the implication was that the British forced upon the Americans (er, well, the Yankees) the acceptance of the original British Claim of the Aroostook region. Obviously, I have no proof to offer, but if this is reasonable, I'd like to see this added to the article. 124.243.160.80 06:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC) (Actually KSHuntley, just haven't logged in)

Collection?

Is there a collection or box set of some kind that has all the current books?--HiroProtagonist 05:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)