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Etymology

The word Gringo means "the green coat",I am positively sure Mexicans, Costa Ricans and Latin Americans would never use a variant of griego 'Greek' which means SLAVE as a slur to describe the Man from U.S.A. and/or an insult. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.203.7.251 (talk) 10:27, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Show us some proper sources to support your assertion ! -- Beardo (talk) 20:17, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This has been studied by several sources and there's little evidence for the green coat theory (some information indicates that it predates the Mexico-USA conflict). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.183.13.9 (talk) 15:38, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The word Gringo means just that "Green Go" i.e. "¡Fuera los verdes!" and was said by Hispanic people to the US soldiers - who wore green uniforms - that invaded the New Mexico and southern states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.4.241.101 (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From a couple of centuries ago was a song frequently sung and a poem frequently recited, which start Green Grow the Rushes / Rashes. I have heard it suggested that "Green Grow" became Gringo, although I am not sure if my source can substantiate this claim.GeeBee60 (talk) 03:52, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Apologetics

I've noticed that this article contains a fair amount of apologetics. While I certainly understand why such material is in here, as it should be as a sort of disclaimer, I find it way over the top. Sourced and academic yes, but I can actually find about 40 times the sources to prove otherwise, especially if the criterion where how it is "used" rather than how it "originated" or is used in countries where it is rarely said. In Mexico (and by extension, and even more so, the immigrant community in the States, at the very least) it is indeed considered a racial slur and it's a rare day when it isn't used in some critical context. While this applies to, like I said, the United States more so than Mexico, it is the reality, and should be reflected as such. A person reading this article would assume that the usage demonstrated in this article is accurate, and it's some sort of "cultural misunderstanding" that it's used to refer to people pejoratively rather than how than how it "should" be used. Comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.101.204.248 (talk) 04:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you have "40 times the sources to prove otherwise," then do it. Regards.--MarshalN20 | ^Talk 17:30, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's pejorative in a "silly American tourist" sense. Its use mostly stems from the fact that the official word to call someone from the United States in Spanish is "estadounidense", which is a pretty long word. Languages tend to evolve to use shorter words for common words, and the USA being the most notable neighbor to Mexico (and one of the most important countries in the world), means people talk a lot about it. It is highly discouraged to use the word "Americano" for people born in the USA, due to its lack of precision: in Latin America, the concept of America has remained its original meaning, and there's only one American continent, comprised of North America and South America. It's been discussed elsewhere, but calling the USA "America" is offensive to a lot of people in Latin America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.183.13.9 (talk) 15:51, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The word itself is not pejorative. The term Gringo is applied to any non-native Spanish speaker, regardless of their nationality. The term is also used to refer to someone depending on their looks (generally if they are white-skinned and with blond hair); it's not unusual for an Ibero-American to be called a "gringo" even if that person speaks fluent Spanish with no foreign accent.

In any case, the misconception that Americans have about the word "gringo" is probably notable enough for this to be pointed out in the article.--MarshalN20 ^Talk 17:23, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The word IS a pejorative. It's used in a derisive manner, it is NOT a term of respect by any means and those who use it know it. You can cite until you're blue in the face about it's historical context etc. But anyone who's been called this word knows that the user means it as a slander as a put-down and as a term of complete disrespect. An article like this just bolsters its legitimacy in the eyes of the people who use the word. In addition the word has evolved from its original origins in meaning and IS primarily used against whites by Latin-Americans and so carries heavy racial overtones. Go ahead, deny it. But anyone who is a "gringo" knows otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.145.103 (talk) 22:49, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As a Mexican that has worked in isolated areas, I have to disagree heavily with it being considered a derogatory term. It is how most mexicans will prefer to refer to an american citizen and the name itself isn't meant as a means of putting them down, rather that it's heavily ingrained in our culture to have names for everything. Racism from someone has less to do with names and more with their attitudes and general decency as a person. It's heavily ingrained in our culture to have names for everything, nicknames if you like. We'd sometimes call someone negro because he has a darker skin tone and that'd shock the brains out of you but in truth that'd just be a nickname and everyone would call that person negro out of affection, all the time, without any ill intent. I think an understanding of latin american culture is necessary before being so sure that gringo is an intentionally derogatory term. I know a doctor from Minnesota who lives in Chiapas in a small town and everyone respects him, and yet, everyone calls him "El Gringo".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.194.104.129 2:58, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I grew up in Las Cruces, NM. I only ever heard the word grino used as a term of disrespect. None of my latio friends ever used that word for someone they liked. That said, I do believe there's some disconnect between people in its usage. My father-in-law, who learned Spanish as a second language, believed it to be neutral and used it frequently to refer to me while we were on a trip in Chile, until a shocked waiter (who was Chilean) stopped him and told him that the word is in many places used as a term of disrespect. These are just anecdotes, but they match up with what many dictionary sites say - the word is often used in a disparaging manner. Patorjk (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover, it's actually very ignorant to think that "Latin Americans" use the term "gringo" to insult people from the United States because "they are white". Plenty of Latin Americans are also white, and "gringo" is also applied to non-white foreigners. As our Mexican contributor indicates above, it can also be a term of endearment. It all primarily depends on context.--MarshalN20 ^✉🕊 12:22, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nice that you call someone "ignorant" who tells you how THEY FEEL AND HOW OTHERS FEEL about being called "gringo". You ever ask someone who's white whether they live in the U.S. or in Latin American if they LIKE being called gringo? I think you haven't. That'd be too courteous and courageous. Two things you lack. And "negro" in Spanish means "black one" or "black" depending on the context and no, I would not be at all surprised that Latinos regularly call blacks that. Latin Americans have NEVER had to address their own racial bias towards other people who ARE NOT HISPANIC (or "Latino" as they preferred to be called now). We see it time and again in the U.S. and Hispanics are oblivious to it. OMG don't let a Latino man/woman bring home a white woman/man to meet the family! After they leave then listen to the remarks and slurs fly. Sorry to tell you how it is but "gringo" IS a racially loaded word and it does not matter if a whole town uses it to describe a doctor who was there to help them. If the guy was lame, would they have called him, "The Cripple?" Probably. People are insensitive the world over and it's not just whites who are guilty of this. Like I said, Latinos(which kills me because this new word was implemented by the Latin-American community as part of the whole "respect our culture" package) have NEVER had to confront their own racism. About time they did. This article just proves it.

"Gringo" means "White with European origin"

In Mexico, all White people are called Gringos. All Europeans are called Gringos. French, Germans, Italians, Portugueses, Spaniards are called Gringos. Gringos is a racial term for White peoples with European origin. Arabs aren't called Gringos--Monsieur Fou (talk) 15:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It may have this meaning in Mexico, but in Brazil it is used to refer to any foreigner. Jgsodre (talk) 19:37, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm from Mexico, and that is totally false, furthermore, why does rely on someone who gives an example as bad as calling "White peoples" to Spaniards???... "Gringo" is only used for Americans here, only working-class people calls "Gringos" to foreign Whites because do not know that there are more countries, wanting to call "Americans" believing "they are". Lymaniffy (talk) 03:50, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

at first i was shocked that gringo= white people interpretation was not mentioned at all, but then again wikipedia completely fails with anything regarding race — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.97.235.29 (talk) 17:41, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::::Moreover, it's actually very ignorant to think that "Latin Americans" use the term "gringo" to insult people from the United States because "they are white". Plenty of Latin Americans are also white, and "gringo" is also applied to non-white foreigners. As our Mexican contributor indicates above, it can also be a term of endearment. It all primarily depends on context.--[[User:MarshalN20|<font color="Olive">'''MarshalN20'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="maroon">✉</font></sup>]][[WP:3O|🕊]] 12:22, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
+Nice that you call someone "ignorant" who tells you how THEY FEEL AND HOW OTHERS FEEL about being called "gringo". You ever ask someone who's white whether they live in the U.S. or in Latin American if they LIKE being called gringo? I think you haven't.  That'd be too courteous and courageous. Two things you lack. And "negro" in Spanish means "black one" or "black" depending on the context and no, I would not be at all surprised that Latinos regularly call blacks that. Latin Americans have NEVER had to address their own racial bias towards other people who ARE NOT HISPANIC (or "Latino" as they preferred to be called now). We see it time and again in the U.S. and Hispanics are oblivious to it. OMG don't let a Latino man/woman bring home a white woman/man to meet the family! After they leave then listen to the remarks and slurs fly. Sorry to tell you how it is but "gringo" IS a racially loaded word and it does not matter if a whole town uses it to describe a doctor who was there to help them. If the guy was lame, would they have called him, "The Cripple?" Probably. People are insensitive the world over and it's not just whites who are guilty of this. Like I said, Latinos(which kills me because this new word was implemented by the Latin-American community as part of the whole "respect our culture" package) have NEVER had to confront their own racism. About time they did. This article just proves it.
 == "Gringo" means "White with European origin" ==