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This page should include a summary of the excellent research done by Otakar Máčel in the paper "Avant-Garde Design and the Law: Litigation over the Cantilever Chair" (1990). That one paper would be enough to make this a great article. The illustrations in the paper, of Stam's original drawings and reconstructions of the welded gas pipe prototypes would be great here too. Not out of copyright I think (as per 70 years since the death of the author in Germany) but maybe under fair use? [[User:Yugyug|+|||||||||||||||||||||||||+]] ([[User talk:Yugyug|talk]]) 12:09, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
This page should include a summary of the excellent research done by Otakar Máčel in the paper "Avant-Garde Design and the Law: Litigation over the Cantilever Chair" (1990). That one paper would be enough to make this a great article. The illustrations in the paper, of Stam's original drawings and reconstructions of the welded gas pipe prototypes would be great here too. Not out of copyright I think (as per 70 years since the death of the author in Germany) but maybe under fair use? [[User:Yugyug|+|||||||||||||||||||||||||+]] ([[User talk:Yugyug|talk]]) 12:09, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
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So the chair was "inspired" by a seat installed in a Tatra car from then-Czechoslovakia? The source cited, however, says the following: "Stam ''must have seen'' a tubular steel seat to think of making a chair from the same material and ''Kramer must have been mistaken in the car'' they had used (italics added)." Those "must have beens" are a classic instance of a critic making something up to fit a preconceived notion. Artistic inspiration doesn't work like that. If it did, there would never be anything new, only an infinite regress of repetitions. The article cites a man named Kramer, who tells the story of Stam seeing a tubular stell foldable seat in a Hanomag car, and Stam saying: "One should build a chair like that." The article then points out, with photo, that the Hanomag car doesn't use tubular steel, but flat steel, and then all the must-haves follow, trotting along one after the other. If you look at the photo of the Hanomag folding chair, it looks almost exactly like the Stam chair. The basic idea, of a seat that is cantilevered, is right there. So the "recent research" turns out to be speculation, along with a stiff does of Czech nationalism. I have changed the wording to make this a suggestion, rather than "research." It isn't research. It's wishful thinking. [[User:Theonemacduff|Theonemacduff]] ([[User talk:Theonemacduff|talk]]) 04:56, 26 November 2018 (UTC) |
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This page should include a summary of the excellent research done by Otakar Máčel in the paper "Avant-Garde Design and the Law: Litigation over the Cantilever Chair" (1990). That one paper would be enough to make this a great article. The illustrations in the paper, of Stam's original drawings and reconstructions of the welded gas pipe prototypes would be great here too. Not out of copyright I think (as per 70 years since the death of the author in Germany) but maybe under fair use? +|||||||||||||||||||||||||+ (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
New Research?
So the chair was "inspired" by a seat installed in a Tatra car from then-Czechoslovakia? The source cited, however, says the following: "Stam must have seen a tubular steel seat to think of making a chair from the same material and Kramer must have been mistaken in the car they had used (italics added)." Those "must have beens" are a classic instance of a critic making something up to fit a preconceived notion. Artistic inspiration doesn't work like that. If it did, there would never be anything new, only an infinite regress of repetitions. The article cites a man named Kramer, who tells the story of Stam seeing a tubular stell foldable seat in a Hanomag car, and Stam saying: "One should build a chair like that." The article then points out, with photo, that the Hanomag car doesn't use tubular steel, but flat steel, and then all the must-haves follow, trotting along one after the other. If you look at the photo of the Hanomag folding chair, it looks almost exactly like the Stam chair. The basic idea, of a seat that is cantilevered, is right there. So the "recent research" turns out to be speculation, along with a stiff does of Czech nationalism. I have changed the wording to make this a suggestion, rather than "research." It isn't research. It's wishful thinking. Theonemacduff (talk) 04:56, 26 November 2018 (UTC)