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The Clarification_and_Amendment#Clarification_request:_Gun_control Survey

Could you enlighten me as to how that survey reads C as the outcome? Because from what I can see, there's 1 A, 3 B, 2 C, and one that is "A/sorta C" with the explanation that it's a clear A as their "sorta C" is about allowing the deletion, but they directly say that the community can overturn, so clearly it's not an AE action then and thus, clearly an A vote... How does then C win with less votes? Even if it was a C vote, it would still be B or C, so why would then C win and not B? Not saying it's wrong but I'm really not understanding how it would become like that as it currently feels like you're proposing to set forth a motion to the effect of declaring that 1+1=3 84.219.252.47 (talk) 17:04, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

The set of deletions that C allows is a subset of what B would allow. If B does not pass, presumably everyone supporting B would then support C as a second choice. When you reallocate all B votes to C, the consensus is fairly clear. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 18:57, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

While I understand why C would pass if you just reassign all B votes to C, but why would you reassign them? It being a subset doesn't really make sense since then the argument is just as valid to reassign all C to B, and as I said already, B already is the majority so it's not like you're reassigning a minority number of votes to a majority to make it a bigger majority either. It's reassigning votes from a majority, to a minority in order for that minority to win that I don't understand.84.219.252.47 (talk) 03:46, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Those arguing B (allow all deletions, subject only to deletions being overturned at AE) would certainly agree to C (allow only those deletions allowable under the deletion policy) if B was off the table. Those arguing C would likely not agree to B, since it allows some deletions they perceive to be against policy. If we held a straight up-down vote on B and C, you would almost certainly see B defeated by a majority and C successful due to "second choice" votes. B does not have a majority, because those voting either A or C would likely oppose it. That's why I've said what I did. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 04:21, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

So what you're saying is that it's not actually a 3 option vote, it's a 2 round elimination vote, and you're just assuming what the outcome of the second round would be? That seems... Odd. Especially since there's no reason to eliminate option A rather than C in that case since they have the same number of votes. I'm also not convinced the majority of those voting B would support C, rather than say, move to amend the policies on the matter to implement option B and deferring to option A in the meantime. I mean, those things would be possible to discern had the voters actually provided arguments behind their vote, but nothing in the discussion above from those users seem to suggest one way or the other on that and it only becomes clear in your case due to this discussion. 84.219.252.47 (talk) 05:12, 12 March 2019 (UTC)