Talk:2019 Tacoma attack

Spokane?

Wasn't the attack in Tacoma, at the other end of Washington state? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

WP:BLPCRIME

Hopefully this article is deleted soon and this is a moot issue, but this is a gentle reminder that WP:BLP applies to recently deceased people. As such this article must comply with WP:BLPCRIME which requires that articles not say in wikipedia voice that individuals committed crimes for which they have not been convicted. As Van Spronsen was killed by police at the site it's unlikely he will ever have his day in court, but we should not be convicting him of these actions on the website. It is worth noting that there are plenty of recent examples of police misconduct with regard to officers making false statements in North America in recent years (the quick drying cement thing in Portland, the death of Sandra Bland, the arrest of Cedar Hopperton in Hamilton, etc. etc. etc.) As such, it behooves us not to make statements of fact based only on an account provided by police officers absent any sort of due process or presentation of evidence within a court of law. Simonm223 (talk) 11:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

WP:TOOSOON

Since the PROD has been removed, I think we need to consider whether this article should be deleted under WP:TOOSOON - remember WP:NOTNEWS. So far is there any indication of WP:LASTING significance? Simonm223 (talk) 14:13, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@A.Jacobin: as article creator would you care to please speak to how it lines up with these policies? Especially WP:NOT. Simonm223 (talk) 14:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

• This was a violent attack on a government facility carried out by an individual with an record of having made a previous violent attack on an officer of the law. It has received national and international attention. Quite a number of editors have worked on the page. I see not justification for deletion. A.Jacobin (talk) 14:23, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Ok, but none of that actually speaks to the policies I cited. Is there evidence of WP:LASTING significance, especially protracted indepentent international coverage of the event, or any significant changes to the law as a result of the incident? Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS and an anarchist getting gunned down by cops in Washington doesn't actually constitute WP:GNG independently. Even if more than one editor edited the page. I mean I'm editing it, because I found it in an awful state vis WP:BLPCRIME and I want to delete it, so... Simonm223 (talk) 14:28, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

• We keep many articles started soon after the thing happened. Poway synagogue shooting, YouTube headquarters shooting, Washington cougar attack, Florida International University pedestrian bridge collapse.A.Jacobin (talk) 14:47, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Material that should be added

Material that should be added to the page includes the celebration of van Spronsen's violent attack on a government facility and his previous violent attack on an officer the previous year. Yes, I am aware that the detention center was subcontracted to a private facility, but ICE cars, ICE personnel regularly arriving and departing - the distinction is real, but the attack was on a federal agency. And there is a discussion covered in WP:RS about the fact that it is being celebrated by his fellow antifa.A.Jacobin (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Where are the reliable sources that make these claims? Simonm223 (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

For that matter, do you have a link to the discussion at WP:RSN with regard to him being celebrated by people who oppose fascism? Simonm223 (talk) 14:34, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Because I am a regular contributor on that board and I don't recall seeing anything about anarchist and leftist sources lately. And like, I'm generally all over those discussions. Simonm223 (talk) 14:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)