User talk:Khoikhoi/Archived

I may not respond swiftly to queries.

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Warning

On my talk page, you said: "I have some concerns of this comment of yours. It violates WP:NPA, in the sense that we shouldn't really be discussing other editors in this manner. I'm not quite sure what it proved by pointing out people's blocks logs, and such comments can only sidetrack the discussion. In fact, it was quite provocative. Please don't make such comments like that again. Violations of WP:NPA and Wikipedia:Harassment are considered a very serious matter—and usually end with blocks with the length being increased each time. Khoikhoi 02:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

Noted, however I strongly disagree with your assessment; such comments are justified in this particular context. In a RfC the topic of discussion is the editor who is subject to the RfC, but it is also relevant and sometimes even necessary to discuss the past behaviour of the other contributing editors. ´

WP:NPA states: "Remarks describing an editor's actions and made without involving their personal character should not be construed as personal attacks."

WP:STALK states: "This does not include [..] reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason."

Finally, WP:RFC states: "An RfC may bring close scrutiny on all involved editors".

If you had contributed to that RfC I would have examined your block log in the same manner that I examined every other editor who contributed to that RfC. I would also have mentioned my own block log if it contained any items.

However, I do agree that outside of a RfC such comments would be considered inappropriate, since talk pages in Wikipedia are provided in order to discuss improvements in an article (which might be why you have reacted so strongly as to actually issue a warning).

On a more general note: the entire process of a Request for Comment regarding a user could be regarded as a violation of WP:NPA, WP:Harassment, and also quite provocative. --Oden 05:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I have noticed that you have placed a sign on this talk page that you are {{busy}}, yet your contributions show multiple edits after that. You have stated that my behaviour "usually end with blocks with the length being increased each time", which is a very serious allegation in my opinion. I am assuming good faith in your failure to respond both on my talk page and yours, but I am also starting to become concerned about your lack of response. If you feel that the warning left on my talk page was not justified you could consider striking it (<s> and </s>).--Oden 06:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, you're not busy, just lazy (diff). My concern was that you were quite verbal when you wrote the warning. I think I understand your reason for a lack of response though, and I will let the matter rest. Sincerely, --Oden 06:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Response

On my talk page User:Irpen has written: "I think the warning is way too soft but the dismissive response from this particular user was only to be expected. His disrputing the user conduct RfC with trollish remarks totally unrelated to the subject in question is pure trolling as well as endless discussions the user conducts very much in line with WP:DFTT#Pestering. The defence above with selective citing policies that obviously do not apply to the user's behavior is not even worthy a responce. --Irpen 06:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

Since you wrote the original comment, I would now strongly urge you to strike it out if you believe it is inappropriate. Othwerwise I would strongly urge you to elaborate on it. Please respond. --Oden 06:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll let the matter rest. No hard feelings on my part. Sincerely, --Oden 06:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Cabal team of sysops/users-sock puppets undermines WP’s reliability promoting Greek nationalistic propaganda POV

A well collaborated U.K. based group of WP sysops and WP users has been spotted working systematically in full daily basis to promote ultra natioanalistic Greek POV, distorting related articles. They intervene in any related new article, push Greek POV edits, make edit wars, repeated reverts, permanent deletions, block users, make merges and redirects to unrelevant articles. Their main target is to monopolize articles against Turkey, Rebublic of Macedonia, Bulgaria, Albania, their minorities in Greece and their history. They attack every POV against Greece transforming it to Greekish POV. All redirects result in deletions. Practically this action is equivalent to speady deletion because redirected articles are deleted ,not included to target articles. This also prevents permanently recreating them under same name.

List of abusers involved:

• user:Khoikhoi (sysop) He has been recently probated and unprobated
• user:Future Perfect at Sunrise (sysop)
• user:Aldux (sysop)
• user:Tekleni , suspected multiple sock puppet,
• user:Telex, suspected multiple sock puppet
• user:NikoSilver
• user:Euthymios
• user:Hectorian
• user:Politis
• user:Miskin
• user: AndreasJS

Some of them are suspected employees-agents of Greek National Intelligence Service (E.Y.Π.). Others are suspected members of ultra nationalistic organizations of Greek interests and some act as sockpuppets.

The situation has become unacceptible. Chek their “contributions” and act properly. Wkipedia isn’t the right place to propagandize for “God elit nations” as Greece.User:prespan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.202.31.175 (talk • contribs) 06:43, 2 December 2006.

Oh my, the side-effects of ultra-nationalism is something else. Chaldean 08:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks, harrassment, baiting and pestering by user:Oden

User:Irpen has writte the following on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks.2C_harrassment.2C_baiting_and_pestering_by_user:Oden: "User Oden (talk · contribs) has been recently involved exclusive in a controversial activity of challenging selected by him users attacking their images. I put aside for now the issue of the interpretation of the WP:FU policy as good people obviously disagree in good faith on the policy interpretation as well as the policy itself. However, even if one chooses to take upon himself such a sensitive task as implementing a policy for the good of Wikipedia, such task can only be taken with utmost sensitivity to other editors. With a couple of other editors joining what many perceived as a disruptive crusade in whose process the worst attitudes were displayed, several editors opened a Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali against one of such crusaders. Notably, the RfC is not about the policy or implementing an unpopular policy but about the unacceptable attitude and abusive Harassment."

"Shortly after, user:Oden posted to the RfC this disgusting attack directed at all the involved editors bringing all sorts of unrelated issues that had no relation to what the RfC was about thus substituting tackling the issue with attacking the opponents. And hour or so ago Admin:Khoikhoi (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) who was not involved in the dispute in any way gave Oden a (rather soft IMO) warning reminding of WP:NPA and WP:Harassment policies. Reaction of user:Oden was this barrage of irregular stuff."

"When I commented on his response as being lacking the substance, Oden responded by a series of entries [1][2][3] where he baits Khoikhoi and brings up another barrage of irrelevant stuff (see also WP:DFTT#Pestering)."

"Third party input is requested. --Irpen 07:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

You wrote the original warning, so I would really appreciate it if you could provide some input. I appreciate the fact that you are a serious and valuable contributor to Wikipedia. I will take any positive suggestions from you on how I can improve my contributions to Wikipedia to heart. --Oden 10:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks ...

... for your comments here. I did not know that he had once again reported me. I've tried to explain why I believe he is stalking me. I hope that comment helps to settle down the conflict.

Tājik 16:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi is a clown

This guy is a fucking clown. I urge all users to make appropriate actions so this guy gets out off here fast!. As for me koink koink, I ll always be there to correct your mistakes193.92.232.149 21:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Sockul nou lui Kaltsef

Odor5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)--Euthymios 21:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW when does Kaltsef get his permaban? Mywayyy already had his by now. Kaltsef has more socks (both as anon IPs and accounts) than Mywayyy ever had - can't we get a range block or something?--Euthymios 21:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

recent problem

Khoikhoi I am kind of pissed of because the article has been a bloody propaganda piece. it dosent fall near to an article at all. When ever a turk makes a change you are ready to do a revert and sometimes with really rude explenations like "nice try". But people such as clevelander remove simlest data like "also some western historians say no genocide". Recently Clevelander removed my document adits and some peoples comments in the talk page no one is there to revert or warn him. Fadix returned again with insults and attacks no one took time to warn him. is writing insults in latin makes them less of an insult.. if so let me know. Arent you the only admin active in these pages. Why are you only active agains our actions. Also I know you thought "maybe" only some Armenians rebelled check out my latest adits taken from Western newspapers. Originals are posted as well. if you are interested.neurobio 22:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Clevelander doesnt stop vandalism. inorder to hide the newspapers I posted he first deleted them. I reverted. Now he archived it but after cleaning up my edits and posts ofcourse.