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==Kigo==
On Tanabata festival and Bon festival, the answer is quite simple. The original date for both was by the older Chinese calendar which made it about one month earlier than the current Gregorian calendar. Tanabata was bumped up retaining its original date, July 7 but Bon festival was not and it stayed in August making it one month later than it should be. This caused a problem as July 7 is in the middle of a Tsuyu or a monsoon season and one would be unlikely to see stars at night. It made the legend more dramatic and romantic and some Japanese have started believing that the myth surrounding it was meant to be this way, as difficult as being able to see stars in a monsoon season. There are more conflicting dates in Japanese holidays as the calendar was changed in Meiji period. For example, a popular message for a new year day postcard is ''Geishun'', lit. welcoming spring, but spring is more than two month later. This make sense if one were to receive this on the Chinese New Year, it will be on February and by receiving this message, one can look forward to spring. That's all really there is to it. [[User:Revth|Revth]] 13:36, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)


==Sub-page==


Hello. I moved [[GK/Tanka poets]] to [[User:GK/Tanka poets]]; which is what I assume you'd intended to create. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] 14:52, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)


:Thank you. I'm still a newbie at some of this Wikipedia stuff. [[User:GK|gK]] 04:12, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)


==Witto Aloma==
Hi, I noted your comment on the [[Witto Aloma]] deletion page. I wondered whether you had a comment to make on the wider issue. Most people would agree, I think, that this guy is not very notable, but what does make someone or something notable? I'm interested because there seems to be a rather indifferently applied standard (and some people spend a lot of time indifferently applying it) and newer, fresher voices might have something to add.[[User:Dr Zen|Dr Zen]] 10:35, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)


==Some thoughts on what should go into the Wikipedia and on VfDs==


Having just lost my first Vote for Deletion I now wonder what other people are using as their criteria for keeping or deleting different articles. Many people are pretty obvious about their inclusionist or deletionist tendencies, although I think that they may not be totally upfront about their reasons for those tendencies.


Here's some background: After following a "What links here" from the [[waka]] article, I found a [[substub]] for a poet named [[Saishu Onoe]]. The person who created the substub didn't even know enough to get the name in proper Japanese order ([[family name]], then [[given name]]) which should have been Onoe Saishu, and it also should have had a macron over the "u" in the article itself, like so: Onoe Saishū. Looking through all the books that I have on Japanese poetry he only rated two sentences out of the 685 pages of Donald Keene's volume on modern Japanese Literature ''Dawn to the West'', and there was absolutely nothing in any other book. An internet search for some more information in English was just as bleak. Here was someone who obviously would never be looked up in the English-language version of the Wikipedia on his own, but would only get discovered by following a "What links here" link, or from the [[:Category:Japanese poets]]. Why did people vote to keep this article when even if I added the info from the two sentences in Keene's book it will barely go from a [[substub]] to a [[stub]]? Personally, I have my doubts that some of the people who voted to keep the article even looked at the article or looked at what I wrote on the talk page. [[Talk:Saishu_Onoe]] [[Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Saishu_Onoe]]


What should go into the Wikipedia? Something that people will find useful and informative. The Wikipedia however shouldn't be a dictionary, and it shouldn't be the repository for the answer to trivia questions. If it is a stub that will never grow belond a stub, that also doesn't belong in the Wikipedia in most cases. [[User:GK|gK]] 12:08, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)


:gK, I agree entirely with everything you've just said, except that I probably would have voted to keep [[Saishu Onoe]].


:The article is certainly a borderline case, but a couple of things came to light during the VfD discussion that I think make a case for the author's notability. For one thing, I think that when an artist who's been dead for over 50 years is remembered at all, that's the beginnings of an argument for notability. [[User:Ianb]] also presented some information that I thought was interesting. The fact that the author has a physical memorial somewhere is interesting, and in particular I thought it was noteworthy that he is supposed to have influenced the next generation of poets. If that is true, then information about the style and content of his poems also becomes relevant. The difficulty of finding this information is not encouraging, I agree, and then, it may be that a one-line mention in a broader article would be plenty until more specific information could be researched . . . well, like I said, it's a borderline case.


:At any rate, please don't be discouraged by the "loss". Especially, please continue to trust your instincts as to what deserves to be deleted from Wikipedia; it sounds like they're right on. This article was certainly worthy of nomination, whether or not it was in fact worthy of deletion. [[User:Triskaideka|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Triskaideka|Triskaideka]] 18:37, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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::If I followed my instincts, I'd spend forever nominating all the fancruft I find for deletion, quickly reach a burn-out, and then leave forever (so I've quit clicking the random page link so I won't see any of it!). Instead, I'll mostly stick to trying to edit some of the stuff that I know the most about, such as Japanese poetry. [[User:Gamaliel]] already added two sentences to the [[Saishu Onoe]] substub (unfortunately almost verbatim quotes from Donald Keene's ''Dawn to the West'', but with some judicious editing). I've added a couple of more sentences that probably covers just about everything available in English on Onoe Saishu. The one thing left is for me to move everything to a new [[Onoe Saishu]] so that the name is in proper Japanese order, and then learn how to create a redirect from the old [[Saishu Onoe]] page (it turns out there already is a Onoe Saishu page, so now I just need to reverse which one is the redirect).
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::note: As far as the memorial goes, I've been told that they are very common in Japan, so the fact that a person has one does not necessarily mean that they were that significant. I would be more happy about having Onoe Saishu in the Wikipedia is there were at least one of his tanka translated into English. [[User:GK|gK]] 06:20, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

:::If it makes you feel any better (probably not), I also pass over without nominating a lot of articles that I think should be deleted just because I don't want the headache.

:::When you reverse the redirect, remember to [[Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page|move]] the page instead of just copying and pasting. I'm given to understand that copying and pasting causes problems. Also see [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles]], if you haven't already, for discussion on things like name order and such. [[User:Triskaideka|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Triskaideka|Triskaideka]] 15:36, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

::::The idea of creating a [[sockpuppet]] to handle votes and VfDs on some of the more controversial issues is a tempting idea, but it's probably more hassle than it's worth (not to vote multiple times, but just to ask as a proxy).

::::For reversing the redirect, I think that I may try to find someone who has done it before to help me avoid any problems (the Wikipedia explanation didn't make a whole lot of sense to me). I guess that I can do that here [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]].

::::[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles]] is mostly just basic common sense. [[Japanese name]]s, however, can get quite complicated. How should one handle [[clan]] names for royalty (should it be [[Ono no Komachi]] or [[Ono Komachi]] for example). Another example: Should it be [[Kaga no Chiyo]], [[Chiyo-ni]], or [[Chiyo-jo]] (She is the most famous female [[haiku]] poet -- Chiyo-jo for when she was a married woman and Chiyo-ni after she became a nun).?

::::Another thing that could not find covered anywhere is how to handle specifying the sort order of Japanese names for various categories such as [[:Category:Japanese authors]]. [[User:GK|gK]] 06:23, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for posting your thoughts, GK. I think it's very true that there are inclusionists (and deletionists) who vote on VfD without bothering to ask themselves whether there really is an article worth including under any standards. Neither side appeals to me much. The ultra-inclusionists would have an encyclopaedia of everything, which delights the Borgesian in me but has three major drawbacks: one, that the stated purpose of Wikipedia is ''not'' to include everything; two, that it doesn't and couldn't include everything; three, we already have that encyclopaedia -- it's called "the world". The ultra-deletionists take a very subjective line on what they think should be included, with the same American, science-centred bias that I believe the founders cautioned against; so that minor bands are just so much fancruft but the byways of the most obscure regions of physics or computer science are vitally important pieces of knowledge.[[User:Dr Zen|Dr Zen]] 02:15, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:What I was trying to hint at, but not say directly, is that I see too many people who have ulterior motives in their votes. For example, someone who had their favorite bit of fancruft deleted so now they vote to include everything.

:There is also way too much "Americanism" involved, where if they don't know about something, or it isn't important to the US, then it doesn't belong.

:There there is some cluelessness, both in some of the nominations for VfDs and in some of the votes. I've seen a number of VfDs that if the person had done just a little more than a one--page Google search, it would have never been nominated. <\rant mode> [[User:GK|gK]]

== re: Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo ==

Heya! Nope, none of that stuff ever got onto CD -- in fact, I don't have any recordings to attest to the time I spent with them. It's a pity -- that was FUN! I liked playing Irvine -- it was always quite a party when we played there. Last time I did it there with the Boingos was on a significant day: it's when the SLA shootout occurred, so I remember the day (and the gig) rather vividly. --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]]{[[User talk:Jpgordon|gab}]] 07:07, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

== [[Waka]] table ==

I fixed the table. The principle is to give each internal cell an extra spacing on the right side. It's a bit ugly but it does the job. (I wish it was possible to add to the page's style sheet, then this kind of stuff would be less ugly). --[[User:Schnolle|Schnolle]] 23:19, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

:You were lucky--I was doing another touch at it as I saw your request. I suggest using nonbreaking spaces as in the current version just now. --[[User:Schnolle|Schnolle]] 00:01, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:BTW isn't it S'''t'''anford U Press? --[[User:Schnolle|Schnolle]] 00:04, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

::Whoops! fixed.[[User:GK|gK]] 00:33, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Thank you.[[Andycjp]].I posted the poem [[This Is Just To Say]] by [[William Carlos Williams]].

==Japanese name order==

Thanks for the tip. (It turns out I took WP:RM off my Watchlist, since it was generating too much traffic, so I wouldn't have seen your note.) I'll reply on the page you pointed out. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 13:57, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

==Hi [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]]==

Great work in the Japanese poetry arena. Always good to see someone else working on literature topics around here. My own knowledge is limited and mainly focused around Western writers ([[W.B. Yeats]], [[Ezra Pound]], [[Cid Corman]], [[Gary Snyder]], etc.) who were influenced by the Japanese. Have you considered expanding [[Japanese poetry]] along the lines of the [[Irish poetry]], [[British poetry]] and [[American poetry]] articles? I'd help in any small ways I could. In fact, I may list it at the systemic bias COTW voting page in a little while. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 09:59, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, you're right about my "haiku" being a senryu really. And about the Japanese user group tackling [[Japanese poetry]]. I'll unlist it at systemic bias. The Snyder article is somewhere down a long list of articles I hope to expand in future, but I'm currently tied up in [[Irish]] writers and early [[Modernist poetry]] ([[H.D.]] and [[Lady Gregory]] are my latest/current project). I do like his work and will look out for the new book. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 10:59, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. the translation of ''Caoine Cill Chais'' on [[Irish poetry]] is my own, hence the lack of a name attached (all the out-of-copyright ones were a bit flaccid). [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 11:03, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

[[Shakespearean authorship]] was on [[WP:FAC]] a short while back and got objected to heavily (including by me, I'm afraid). See [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Archived nominations#Shakespearean authorship|here]]. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 11:08, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

==More from [[User:Filiocht]]==

Thanks for the comments. I've had a quick look at [[Kigo]] and hope to come back later to do some copy edits and maybe make some suggestions on the talk page. On reflection, I will credit myself for the translation on Irish poetry and am seriously considering your idea for a poetry lists COTW, but maybe on [[WP:LCOTW]]. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 08:59, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

The Kigo article is looking better already: the clarification of Saijiki is great. The two things I think it still needs is to expand the lead section (I'll read the article again and see if I can think of anything) and an examples section. I knew about kigo in a vague way before, but this article has made it much clearer to me now. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 11:23, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
:I'm not quite sure of what you mean by an example section. There is already the [[kigo#Common kigo in Japanese haiku | Common kigo in Japanese haiku]], so my best guess is that you are asking for example haiku. [[User:GK|gK]] 11:54, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

::Sorry, I did not make this clear. I do mean haiku/renga examples. See me response on the Kigo talk page also. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 12:06, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote. As far as I know, none of the other Imagists wrote haiku, I'll check. Williams was published in some of the Imagist anthologies, but not Wallace S. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 08:54, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

I'll think about it. [[Cid Corman]] is a must. Pound, [[T. E. Hulme]], Lowell and, in a strange way, [[Allen Upward]]. [http://www.geocities.com/~bblair/sip15_title.htm The 1915 issue of ''Some Imagist Poets''] gives a bit of a view of some of the Imagists], as does [http://www.bartleby.com/265/ this]. In Spanish, [[Antonio Machado]] with poems like [http://www.poesia-inter.net/amach163.htm this]. (Translation: every man has two battles to fight: in dreams he fights with god; and awake, with the sea.) [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 10:09, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC) Also [[Charles Reznikoff]]: see [http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/reznikoff/rhythms.html these]. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 10:32, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Well spotted with the missing 'do'. Not sure what happened there. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 10:11, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
:I'm using the "Early Haiku in the West" chapter in William Higginson's "The Haiku Handbook" as my guide for the section. He mentions all the people I've asked about, plus Reznikoff (but I'd leave out Reznikoff because he seems to have little influence on mainstream poetry before his death, and none at all on the development of haiku in English -- the examples of his poems you pointed are much more like [[tanka]]). Your Machado example is too abstract to qualify as a good haiku, but Higginson includes one I really liked (translation uncredited, but probably by Higginson):

:Canta, canta, canta, / junto a su tomate, / el grillo en su juala.

:Sings, sings, sings, / next to his tomato, / the cricket in its cage.

:Higginson also included Machado's [[renga]]-like 9 stanza sequence "from Apuntes" from his book "Nuevas Canciones, 1917-1930". [[User:GK|gK]] 11:09, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

::I'm not sure, but I suspect that Machado's short poems owe more to Spanish folksong than to any reading of Japanese models. I'd still argue for including Reznikoff, who was one of the most influential figures in American modernism, even though it took a long time for him to be recognised. The tem [[Objectivist poets|Objectivist]] was invented by [[Louis Zukofsky]] specifically to describe CR's work. [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 12:12, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

==[[WP:LCOTW]]==
{{CurrentLCOTW}}
[[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 10:40, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Better now? [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]] 08:20, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

==Japanese Naming Order==

Hi, sorry it's taken a while to reply - been busy with a zillion other things! You need to understand a couple of things to understand my attitude towards Japanese naming order.

First, I'd personally be much happier if we used the standard that ''articles'' are filed under the full, formal name of the person, with redirects from "common" names. (So that [[Catherine de' Medici]] would be under [[Caterina di Lorenzo de' Medici]], for instance - a change I tried to get many moons ago, see the [[Talk:Catherine de' Medici|Talk: page]].) Alas, that's not Wikipedia policy - much to my unhappiness.

(Of course, that wouldn't fix all problems, especially for Japanese artists, many of whom change their [[art-name|''g&#333;'']] on the drop of a hat, in addition (of course) to often having several official personal full names (through being adopted). I'm most familiar with the [[ukiyo-e]] artists, and the "worst" of them, from this point of view, is [[Hokusai]], who had about a dozen different g&#333; over his career. And for some of them, e.g. [[Sharaku]], all we know for sure is their g&#333;, so we ''can't'' put them under their personal names.)

Second, I am ''very'' cognizant that we are writing this encyclopaedia for ordinary people, not Japanese experts. Most of the books that you (and I) have are not intended for ordinary people. The ones that are (e.g. my copies of the works of [[Yasunari Kawabata]], [[Yukio Mishima]], etc - neither of whom worked in English, by the way - and neither did Akira Kurosawa, for that matter) almost all use GN-SN. Hence my preference for GN-SN order - because ''ordinary'' people are less likely to get it wrong, and ordinary people are who we are writing for.

I know this isn't the standard in those parts of the English-speaking world that are deeply into Japanese subjects, who are happy to use SN-GN because we know what's up. I know it's also a bit bizarre, especially for pre-Meiji people. However, I keep going back to those business cards - they are always in GN-SN order ''on the English side'' - and they are done that way for a ''good reason''.

Anyway, I don't expect to change your mind, but I do hope I've shown you that i) I'm not a clueless idiot, and ii) that I do have a semi-rational reason for preferring that option. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 17:17, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:I've never thought that you didn't have a rationale behind your opinion. Still, I've been frustrated because I have thought that you have been assuming that the average Wikipedia user was a clueless idiot, and I think that is selling them short. Plus it is so easy to add redirects for the alternative name orders, different transliteration schemes, misspellings, etc., so you can still have the clueless covered and have them properly redirected to the correct article. Of course if you look at some of the weird spellings that happen for different character names in some of the anime and manga translations, all of those redirects are sometimes necessary. ;-)

:re: [[Yasunari Kawabata]], [[Yukio Mishima]]: That is why my original vote (and still my second choice) was for the 3rd choice, and '''not''' for the Meiji-divide choice. It would allow for those popular authors who have been translated into English, the leading politicians, and the multinational business leaders who are better known in the English-speaking world by their GN-SN order.

:Question: re [[Art-name | G&#333;]]: I was going to add a short mention of ''haiga'' (haiku penname) to the [[penname]] article, when I remembered that the Japanese had a whole series of different words for the pseudonyms used for different trades (such as g&#333; for art-name). I swear that I read a long list of them someplace, either in one of my reference books, or on the internet, but now I can't find it. Can you offer any help? [[User:GK|gK [[User talk:GK|&iquest;?]]]] 18:06, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Alas, I can't help you with the pseudonyms. I mostly deal with decorative arts (e.g. maki-e, sword furniture, etc) as well as woodblock prints, so the fine arts are kind of out of my ken. However, ''Japanese Art Signatures'' (Hirose and Self) only speaks of ''g&#333;'' for what you are calling "pen-names", so I don't know.

I'm not assuming that the average Wikipedia reader is a "clueless idiot", but it's a sad fact of life that most people don't know a modest amount about all sort of neat things people ''ought'' to know about (e.g. the difference between [[force]], [[mass]] and [[weight]], to pick one that's "trivial" for anyone with a science or engineering background, but which will throw most "artistic" people for a loop - [[C. P. Snow]] notwithstanding). So, yes, people can still be intelligent and moderately knowledgeable and ''still'' not know about Japanese name order. You're very close to things Japanese, but most people in the English-speaking world aren't. [[User:Jnc|Noel]] [[User_talk:Jnc|(talk)]] 21:02, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== CSB banner ==

The discussion on Village pump policy was more about the smaller templates [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias#Limited_geographic_scope_template|here]], but you're probably right. In the CSB (big) banner's case most (or all) of the text at the top should go, and it could lose the gaudy colors. Also, the text below "CSB Collaboration of the fortnight" could be smaller. I like the logo though. I agree that the [[Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week]] is the one to model it on. We are discussing reforming the CSB project at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias|here]]. It needs to be simplified along the same lines as the other CotWs. Feel free to help if you have time. - [[User:Xed|Xed]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== [[List of English words with diacritics]] ==

Yeah, I started the list because I came across usage of coördinate that I'd not seen before. I thought there really ought to be a list of things like this so naturally I came to Wikipedia to find it. Alas, there wasn't one. I don't think though that French phrases are part of the English language, they should be removed. Really they are just French phrases being used by English-speaking people, not adopted into English itself. I also can't believe I didn't think of naïve - it's the word I use most I think. [[User:Nickshanks|Nicholas]] 09:08, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
:"Bon appétit!" and probably even "La crème de la crème." deserve to stay. "Comme ci, comme ça." is pretty marginal. "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose." is something only pretentious college students say and probably should go. ;-) I'd rather see the list a little over inclusive than the opposite. [[User:GK|gK [[User talk:GK|&iquest;?]]]] 12:39, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== Kuvempu ==

yes, 'KuppaLLi Venkatappa PuTTappa' is his original name. He wrote under the pen name - 'Kuvempu'. If you need more information, feel free to contact me back.

cheers,

--[[User:Hpnadig|Hpnadig]] 16:20, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:hey, thanks for the spell corrections! also, about kannada poetry, I can tell you a lot many things about it. Are you on irc? can we talk there? I'm hpnadig there, usually on #in.wikimedia and #kannada.

cheers,
--[[User:Hpnadig|Hpnadig]] 17:33, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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::have left a comment each on [[:User_talk:Hpnadig | here]] and [[:Talk:Kannada poetry]]. Do check it.

::: left comment for you on my [[:User_talk:Hpnadig | talk page]] --[[User:Hpnadig|Hpnadig]] 13:27, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== Death-related ==

Thanks for the message. I quite understand that [[Death poem]]s are not ''about'' death, but arguably even [[Memento mori]] are often more about mortality and even ''carpe diem'' than about death. How about a compromise? A ''see also'' link from [[Memento mori]] to [[Death poem]], but leave out the link from [[Death poem]] to [[Memento mori]]? That'd be helpful enough for the non-specialist researcher, I'd have thought. What do you think? [[User:Man vyi|Man vyi]] 16:38, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

== Article Licensing ==

Blah, blah, blah.....Since you are among the [[Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits|top 2000]] Wikipedians by edits.....Yadda, yadda, yadda..... '''[[User talk:Ram-Man|Ram-Man's talk page]]'''. It's important to know either way so <s>no one<s> ''some [[Wiki Bot]] doesn't'' keeps asking. -- [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new comment]| [[User talk:Ram-Man|talk)]]

:Despite the extremely '''''UGLY''''', '''''WORDY''''', and '''''SPAM-LIKE''''' message from Ram-Man, I've still chosen, using Option #2, to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|dual]][[Guide to the CC dual-license|-]][[meta:Guide_to_the_CC_dual-license | license]] my past and future contributions to any Wikipedia gazateer and geographic articles, such as [[Signal Hill, California]], plus any [[photograph]]s and [[art]]work that I create and upload to the [[Wikipedia]] or [[commons:Commons:Project plan|Wikimedia Commons]], under the [[GNU Free Documentation License|GFDL]], and [[Creative Commons]] 1.0 & 2.0 licenses as noted on my main user page. I specifically exclude anything on my [[User:GK | user page]], any [[namespace]] sub pages, and all article [[meta:talk page | talk pages]] from the dual-license. All my minor edits for main Wikipedia namespace articles are released into the [[public domain]]. I have chosen the less restrictive CC licenses to be compatible with everyone else, although I was very tempted to use the non-commercial versions of the CC licenses. 09:51, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::You don't have to use your user page, a subpage is fine. Sorry about the ugly message. [[User:Ram-Man|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &ndash; [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]] <sup>([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new comment]) ([[User talk:Ram-Man|talk]])</sup>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:45, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

==KMD==

Thanks for Wikifying the KMD page - I wrote it hastily as I was going out to do Xmas shopping. I noticed that the previous guy had gotten some of his facts wrong, but I haven't figured out the lingo on Wikipedia yet. I'm very glad to have someone come up and clean up the messiness. :D And sorry if this comes out all wrong too; like I said I don't understand the Wikipedia logic yet.
- random would-be do-gooder

:Thanks for the thank you. As you can see from my discussion on my User Page, I started somewhat like you when I looked up a few things that I was familiar with and edited them. It doesn't take too long to learn some of the editing basics, but learning more than that can be confusing.

:I'm not even sure how I originally ended up with the KMD page on my Watch List but I think that it was from investgating some of the nooks and crannies on the Wikipedia, ending up at the [[List of TLAs]], then randomly clicking on one of the subsets, and then randomly clicking on a TLA. When I ended up at [[KMD]] I converted it from a plain [[stub]] to a music-stub.

:You should sign up for a User Name to get a Watch List, if for no other reason. That way you can see when any page you've edited, or any other page that you are interested in, gets edited. If you have any questions, just ask me here. [[User:GK|gK [[User talk:GK|&iquest;?]]]] 21:01, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== I've updated my catagory browsing tools. ==

You probably want to look at them. I've also updated the text listing of the children of Category:Japan, as per your suggestions. Please let me know what you think of it. [[User:JesseW|JesseW]] 23:41, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

==Tucson, Arizona and more==
Hi. I saw that you voted on the RFC regarding [[Tucson, Arizona]], and I thought you might be interested in commenting on a broader application of the formatting to other city articles. The discussion (for now) is at [[Talk: Tucson, Arizona#Other Arizona and nearby cities.]] (It might get moved to [[WikiProject Cities]], if there's interest in doing so.) Thanks! [[User:Kmccoy|kmccoy]] [[User_talk:Kmccoy|(talk)]] 01:46, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== Chinatown ==

I recently backed into this myself because I was doing work on Seattle stuff. No doubt they are a mess, especially where people with direct knowledge of one or two cities try to write as if what they know will generalize. If you want to start a Wikiproject, I'll sign on, though I'm not sure how much I can do: after the start of 2005 I'm not expecting to have as much time for this. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 05:39, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

== Stub sorting policy ==

I need your help in deciding the policy. See: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Policy]]

--[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 05:37, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== Signature ==

You'll need to fix your signature, by the way. You're missing a <nowiki>[[ and a ]]</nowiki> --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 04:33, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
: It's fixed ^_^ --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 07:23, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

== Historical stubs ==

It's fixed. I appreciate your watchful eye. For this, I award you [[:Image:Hero of Socialist Labor|Hero of Socialist Labor]]. Again, thank you for your help. --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 08:53, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

==Left-handed DNA?!==
''I was looking for a good public domain DNA graphic when I found this page that I thought you might find interesting:''
''The Left Handed DNA Hall of Fame
http://www.lecb.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/LeftHanded.DNA.html''
''From the same website, the DNA at the top right of the page look like it might work nicely if turned into a negative image and then cleaned up a bit [http://www.lecb.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/DNA.Resources.html]. It's a corrected version of an Israeli stamp [http://www.lecb.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/icons/stamp.israeli.1964.jpg]. Another possibility, the ASCII representation at the bottom of the following page is not bad when you do a screen capture and then shrink [http://www.lecb.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/delila/asciidna.html]. Microsoft also has some clipart, that if I read their User Agreement correctly, it is okay to use on the Wikipedia (two are left-handed versions, but they can be fixed by "mirroring" them. ;-) [http://office.microsoft.com/clipart/results.aspx?Scope=MC&Query=dna&CTT=6&Origin=EC010331121033]. Here I found a nice public domain image of DNA, but unfortunately it doesn't shrink well [http://biology.spsu.edu/Graphics/Public%20domain%20DNA2.JPG]. Although this page says nothing about copyright, the DNA image looks like it might be the best looking one at small sizes [http://www.biochem.wisc.edu/medialab/clipart.html] [[User:GK|gK]] [[User talk:GK|&iquest;?]] 05:35, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)''
*Where did you get the impression I was looking for information on left-handed DNA? Looking at your contribs, it looks like you spent about an hour and a half collecting all that info. It's useless to me but thanks anyway. You get an A for effort. --[[User:Jag123|jag123]] 09:13, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'd rather save the DNA helix for a Genetics stub, if it's ever needed. That's why I used a plain alpha-helix for the time being. I don't know what else to use that symbolizes biochemistry, so if you have any ideas, go right ahead. --[[User:Jag123|jag123]] 09:41, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

==Charles Darwin==
(Sorry for not replying in email, I'm currently using a shared computer so all I have is a webmail system that was coded by blind chimps in JavaScript.)

Hi, the comments about the refusal to vote in the original poll was aimed at Sam Spade who made a lot of fuss about Wikipedia not being a democracy. As your poll was not serious, please accept my appologies for aiming the other comments at you, but they remain aimed at those who did take it seriously. --[[User:Steinsky|Joe D]] [[User talk:Steinsky|(t)]] 00:16, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

:You're right, I did delete the section on the 8th December, after MgeKelly inserted the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Darwin&diff=8232935&oldid=8205680 Monty Burns factoid]. He was possibly trying to get me to lose my temper, and he unfortunately succeeded.

:The sequence of events thus runs this way.
::#You create a compromise.
::#Mgekelly vandalizes the article with the Monty Burns factoid.
::#I deleted the whole section and reinserted the factoid in the main body.

:Please note that I deleted the section two days ''after you created it'', on the 6th. Note that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=100&offset=200&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Vfp15 I was on wikipedia on the 7th], I saw the section then, and did not touch it.

:So:I should '''not''' have deleted the whole section, I should have deleted '''only''' the Monty Burns vandalism, and I apologize for not having appreciated your early effort at a compromise. [[User:Vfp15|Vincent]] 03:43, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

== Category:Arabic poets ==

Due to a very obscure and hard to track down database error, [[:Category:Arabic poets]] has accidentally been completely obliterated. Guess that's one way to repair duplicate creation. Hope this isn't too much of a problem. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]|[[User talk:Cyrius|&#9998;]] 20:21, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

== Ustub ==

Well... if you read Norman Rogers' last comment on the [[WP:TFD]]...
Sufficient to say, he was attempting to change the policy of stub sorting to restrict stub sorting into one tag, as opposed to all the multiple tags we're using now. --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 23:45, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
: "This template calls the dog a dog, not call it a dog and put it in a horse category" -- [[User:Norm|Norman Rogers]] from [[WP:TFD]].
: *shakes his head* - If you want to talk about [[Assume good faith]], [[Assume good faith]] when you're creating the stub. --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 05:58, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
:: Also, I think it is high time we use full names for stubs, perhaps? --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 06:01, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
::: One other thing... I asked him to calmly present an argument, then he throws in the towel. See [[User_talk:Norm/a4#Ustub]] then go to [[WP:TFD]]. --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 06:03, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

==Removing links==
Just to let you know that i have restored the link you removed from Pseudodoxia Epidemica. Please try more than once before removing links. Norwikian

== Wikipediaholic ==

If you think you are, go measure your WikiStress level, or just take a break from Wikipedia. --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion|(talk)]] 08:08, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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