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Hey s'up. There has been a debate going here about a possible move to its official name. Some foreign editors are also involved, and there might be a good impetus to have it moved. I had been following the debate that has been going for a week or so, but just got involved. Baristarim 03:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I removed one of your comments from Talk:Cyprus dispute, as I didn't think it was helpful. I hope you'll agree. If you don't, feel free to re-add it. - Francis Tyers · 14:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear A.Garnet, It is up to you, what you edit in Turkish speaking Template. I understand you, but remember that Turkish is official language in CYP so we have to right that MUST be accepted as official language in EU also. Please consider this. Kolay gelsin. Regards.Must^TC 17:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in Template:Turkic-speaking. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. At any rate please do not do more than three reverts in a 24h period. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.-please take a breath and go other articles for a moment.Must^TC 17:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A.Garnet YOU made a point? And thus whatever you say goes irrespective to international law, treaties and resolutions. No one said about redirecting to the RoC page dude. Do not put words in other people's mouth.

First, inclusion of both "entities" using the word you use should be there - one legally has three languages English, Greek and Turkish, and the other has only Turkish. Because of the issue, it is required to say that the UN and the EU recognize the Govenment of Cyprus jurisdiction over the whole island and the "tRNC" as a separatist administration. (Your viewpoint will be at odds with this of course and this is to be expected)

Second, Adding the word "entities" and thus playing word games has allowed you to go forth and put the "TRNC" there in the list. This vagueness is well thought out but unfortunately one must mention the facts about the whole issue by saying it is a separatist entity as well.

Third, I think the real solution is to not include both the RoC and the "TRNC" at all until the Cyprus problem is solved by the diplomats. If you think that international law does not apply to wikipedia as far as to the inclusion of valid and truthful information (like the "TRNC" is a separatist administration and the territory of which legally is part of the Republic of Cyprus) then wikipedia will turn into the internet which is full of nationalistic webpages.

Bottom line, either leave this to the diplomats to solve, and take out both TRNC and RoC or put both in with parentheses. Believe it or not a parentheses in the english language goes a long way in confering meaning to the reader. Unfortunately not too many people understand this in wikipedia and brush it aside. Your solution says according to your logic, that both the "TRNC" and the "RoC" are turkic entities or states. In terms of logic that is a false statement. Parentheses and words should state clearly that the RoC has turkish as an official language and that the "TRNC" is a separatist entity.

I Most emphatically do not support Mitsos. A poor defense from you unfortunately. Do not lump me in their company. By the way I think he should banned to set the record straight.

(UNFanatic 20:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC))[reply]

FWIW

For what it's worth Garnet, you're not the first (unjustifiably) accusing the Greek editors of cabalism (contrary to WP:AGF, WP:CIV, WP:NPA and the list goes on...). Permabanned User:Kaltsef also shares that view [1], and has in fact been sharing it on all members of the "cabal"'s userpages for the past few weeks. //Dirak 20:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::Second, Adding the word "entities" and thus playing word games has allowed you to go forth and put the "TRNC" there in the list.  This vagueness is well thought out but unfortunately one must mention the facts about the whole issue by saying it is a separatist entity as well.
 ::::Third, I think the real solution is to not include both the RoC and the "TRNC" at all until the Cyprus problem is solved by the diplomats.  If you think that international law does not apply to wikipedia as far as to the inclusion of valid and truthful information (like the "TRNC" is a separatist administration and the territory of which legally is part of the Republic of Cyprus) then wikipedia will turn into the internet which is full of nationalistic webpages.
-::::Bottom line, leave this to the diplomats to solve, take out both TRNC and RoC.  Believe it or not a parentheses in the english language goes a long way in confering meaning to the reader.  Unfortunately not too many people understand this in wikipedia and brush it aside.  Your solution says according to your logic, that both the "TRNC" and the "RoC" are turkic entities or states.  In terms of logic that is a false statement.  Parentheses and words should state clearly  that the RoC has turkish as an official language and that the "TRNC" is a separatist entity.
+::::Bottom line, either leave this to the diplomats to solve, and take out both TRNC and RoC or put both in with parentheses.  Believe it or not a parentheses in the english language goes a long way in confering meaning to the reader.  Unfortunately not too many people understand this in wikipedia and brush it aside.  Your solution says according to your logic, that both the "TRNC" and the "RoC" are turkic entities or states.  In terms of logic that is a false statement.  Parentheses and words should state clearly  that the RoC has turkish as an official language and that the "TRNC" is a separatist entity.
 :::I Most emphatically do not support Mitsos.  A poor defense from you unfortunately.  Do not lump me in their company. By the way I think he should banned to set the record straight.