Talk:The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (novel)

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Nominated for GA status

I've nominated this article for Good Article status. Good luck!

--TcDohl 02:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Good article nomination failed

I failed this article due to it not meeting several of the GA criteria, and the lack of some critical information. Some of the more important problems are:

• Almost complete lack of information on how the anime, manga or any related products were recieved, this should be covered in a seperate, well-referenced "Reception" section which covers the critical (and popular, if you can find references for it that adhere to WP:RS) reception of the subject. See Final Fantasy VII's "Reception" section for an excellent example of what to shoot for.

I agree, also talk about the precedent setting situation on youtube -empire

• According to the Good Article criteria, to qualify for GA status, an article must:

2. Be factually accurate and verifiable. In this respect:

(a) provide references to any and all sources used for its material;

(b) the citation of its sources using inline citations is required;

(c) sources should be selected in accordance with the guidelines for reliable sources;

(d) contain no elements of original research.

For this article to meet those criteria, it is going to need a lot more than six references, which is all it currently has. Also, original research, even if true, has to go, that is official Wikipedia policy, and cannot be ignored. Verifiability, not truth.

What are we to reference other than the show itself? -empire

• An over-abundance of non-notable trivia, especially in the character sections. For example, this information on "Kyon" actually being a nickname: "The name Kyon is actually a nickname bestowed upon him by his aunt. His sister is responsible for spreading its use to his schoolmates, much to the chagrin of Kyon, who misses being called Onii-chan (お兄ちゃん, Onii-chan? Lit. "older brother"). His real name remains unknown."

The information that it is a nickname and that his real name is never revealed could be useful, but as far as I can tell, how he got the nickname is completely irrelevant, and could be cut without compromising the integrity or comprehensiveness of his section.

Other examples of this unnecessary, sometimes fancrufty, detail are:

• "an ability that Kyon refers to as "bogus magic.""

We don't need to know what Kyon calls it, the information is all but useless, and could be removed without any loss in quality.

• "The President is never given a name other than "Computer Society President" or variations upon that term (all that is known of his name is the first syllable: "ya")"

Similar to Kyon, all we need to know here is that his real name is never given, the information that his name starts with "ya" is useless, and should be removed accordingly.

• The "Chart history" section isn't very useful in its present form, which is just a bit of orphaned trivia floating around in the article, serving no real purpose. This particular bit, though, could be used in a "Reception" section, and does not have to be removed.

I don't see how this information damages the integrity of the article, or why anyone would ever want to REMOVE information in the first place. If the sentences are awkward rewrite them, but don't decrease the amount of information(usefulness) in the article. Imagine for a moment that you want to know what the first syllable of the computer club president's name, where do you look? Wikipedia! You my friend, are no fun at all. -said by empire —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.16.244.78 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 29 November 2006 .

No, you go to the SOS-dan wiki for that kind of stuff, not Wikipedia. It's easy to forget that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a circle fanwank. Wikipedia may be fun to write for and read, but what you put into it is serious business. Please see Wikipedia's essay on Fancruft. It's not about the readability of the article itself, but the relevance of the content. --TcDohl 19:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• A good amount of the article needs to be edited to comply with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)#Out-of-universe perspective. An example of the in-universe perspective writing that needs to be edited is this, "The Integrated Data Entity, also known as the Data Integration Thought Entity (情報統合思念体, Data Integration Thought Entity?), was born from the sea of data which covers the entire universe. As this data accumulated, the data gained consciousness and continued to evolve while obtaining more data until it met its own evolutionary dead-end."

This talks about the Integrated Data Entity as though it actually exists in the real world, rather than it existing as a fictional entity within a fictional universe.

Those are the major problems, but there are still a number of more minor (but still enough to make the article fail to meet the GA criteria) issues; these can be addressed after the major problems have been taken care of. Hargle 09:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge characters?

I once again bring up the issue of merging the characters sections from this article and the Suzumiya Haruhi (series) article together into its own article entitled Characters of Haruhi Suzumiya or perhaps Characters involved with Haruhi Suzumiya or maybe Characters relating to Haruhi Suzumiya. Whatever the article would be called, I would like to know what you guys think of this. -- (十八|talk) 00:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Per the fact that no one has even brought up anything more on this in the past 11 days, I am going to Be Bold and do it myself. -- (十八|talk) 06:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

What are these?

Hi everyone, I'm looking for some info of what are these creatures:

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagen1wh8.png

May be, your could add some info of these draws that appear in all episodes, I have not idea of what are they...

Taken from SOS-dan Wiki, Trivia section: Aya Hirano, the seiyū of Haruhi Suzumiya, drew illustrations of her original character NekoMan for the background of sponsorship credits every week. -- (十八|talk) 02:12, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

You can see her drawing some on a blackboard in the extras for the 3rd (4th) DVD. Shiroi Hane 08:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Too much fancruft

Instead of making additions, why don't you guys trim down the size of the article and remove the fancruft/speculations, and leave that to the SOS-dan Wiki? You guys should really read why the GA nomination failed. I know this article could do so much better, and so instead of showing off the little nuances that only you seem to have picked up on, why don't you reduce everything down to the essentials and start referencing stuff?

--TcDohl 01:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Because that would suck and reduce the value of the page -empire —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.16.244.78 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 29 November 2006.

Please explain why and how that conforms to the Wikipedia manual of style or its policies. --TcDohl 19:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The Agency

It's true that "The Organisation" would be a more accurate translation, so some people might be wondering why "The Agency" was chosen instead, especially since Wikipedia has a big italicised scare sentence which basically implies the translations were wrong. :-)

The reason is probably that during Disappearance, when Kyon asks Itsuki if he's heard of an organisation called The Agency, Itsuki makes a crack asking whether Kyon meant the Central Intelligence Agency. And indeed, The Agency is a common nickname for the CIA, so it all falls together.

I wonder if we need to put a note like that in place of the scare. 150.101.121.216 11:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Good Omens

Has anyone read this book? I found a striking similarity between the situations of Adam Young and Haruhi. --Raijinili 04:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

A little bit but the two stories aren't very alike otherwise. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 07:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't mean that there isn't a strong connection between the two characters. --Raijinili 18:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Could Haruhi Suzumiya be considered a "romance" as well?

The underlying romance aspect of this series really isn't the central theme to the whole story, but could it be argued to list Romance under the genre portion of the factbox? You can tell Haruhi has a tsundere thing going on with Kyon... 69.47.221.218 20:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Even if that can be argued, it's never central to the plot unless you think about the reason the things went the way they did in the final episode is because she was jealous that Kyon was showing more attention to Mikuru than to her. Still, this series already has even genres in the infobox, and since this one isn't explicit to the series, I would say not to include it.--(十八|talk) 01:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

99% of any shows or films have some romantic sub-plot. The show doesn't revolve around it, so I say no. --SeizureDog 04:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. The romance aspect does have much emphasis. When it comes to categorizing anime by genre, it is best to look at the central theme. Naturally, it is still possible to place certain series across different categories. KyuuA4 18:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the origin of the story, Haruhi's interest in Kyon? That's what kicks off the club, her talking to Kyon, everyone mentioning their relationship... 132.205.93.88 21:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Technocenter / Data Integration Entity

The data integration entity has a whole lot in common with the Technocenter from the Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons. In fact, It's the same thing: A huge bunch of Impossibly intelligent and mighty AIs with no physical location, that attempts to get out of its evolutionary dead end by gaining empathy. The two first books of the Cantos (Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion) can be seen in Yuki's hands. I'd be amazed if the creators of the show never commented on that, so I'm leaving this here for further research. --SidiLemine 15:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

rqimg

Could someone add the Haruhi-ism screencap to this page? (either the black H or red H - from the title or end credits - OP/ED)

132.205.93.88 21:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

requested redirect

Can someone with an account make the redirect Haruhism point here? (It's a reasonable misspelling) 132.205.93.88 21:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)