User talk:Aafi

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It is one thing to reply to one comment you disagree with on an article for deletion discussion, but it is not a good idea to post a reply to all of them. This is especially true when you are essentially saying the same thing:

1. Sorry but. Sources like Al Jazeera, BBC etc ain't non notable. On the Wikipedia, nothing is complete and nothing belongs to any single editor. If creating editor does a mistake, other users rectify it and this is how Wikipedia works. The national and international reliable independent media coverage passes WP:SIGCOV and so, WP:GNG. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 12:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
2. Would you like to expand your vote? How is the subject not notable of having WP when they have received significant coverage in reliable national and international media including BBC, Al-Jazeera, Gulf News etc. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 21:33, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
3. Would you like to address the issues of national and international coverage? Which clearly passes WP:GNG. How doing protests against government is not notable? How protests ain't notable? - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 11:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
4. How do you say it fails SIGCOV and GNG when there's national and international coverage including BBC and Al Jazeera. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 09:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

The more often you say the same thing on the same page, the less people take any notice of anything you have said.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Toddy1, Thanks for the tip. I'll be taking care. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 10:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Would removing the duplicate comments be right? If yes, I will remove them. We participate in AfDs for a good outcome, not merely for Keep and Delete. I agree. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 10:30, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

No. Just learn the lesson.

There are various Wikipedia essays that contain advice based on experience of how things usually work. Since you seem to find yourself in deletion discussions, you might want to read some of them:

• Wikipedia:Catch Once and Leave
• Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions
• Feinberg, Ashley (14 March 2019), "Facebook, Axios And NBC Paid This Guy To Whitewash Wikipedia Pages, And it almost always works.", Huffington Post

-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:51, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to read these essays. Thanks very much for guiding me. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 10:55, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Eid Mubarak

Eid Mubarak to you عيد مبارك

Have you seen any Eid greeting template on Wikipedia as yet? DTM (talk) 16:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the wish DTM. No, I've not. We celebrated our Eid already. 😷 - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 16:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

But I wished on the correct day at least, right? DTM (talk) 16:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Exactly. Thanks a lot. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 16:35, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Muhammad Qasim Nanautawi

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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As salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh habibi

You seem to be putting out false information about Deobandi leader and refusing to allow to honest and objective statements. You are clearly a Deobandi because you post Deobandi scholars on your page. It is not objective or impartial for a Deobandi to be controlling pages about Deobandis and giving undue praise and credit to them. It is an exaggerated and unrealistic claim that a Deobandi scholar is Hujjat al Islam among Imam Ghazali. This is not recognized by scholars outside the Indian cultural sphere. Please stop attempting to hinder other Muslims from making statements especially when those statements are fair and objective. Eid Mubarak. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.111.231 (talk) 05:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Wa Alykumus salam. You may add a neutral statement, that he is regarded as Hujjat al-Islam by his followers, without issuing the fatwa's in edit summaries as you did earlier. In various independent works, his name is titled with Hujjat al-Islam. You need to check WP:NPOV. Definitely, you shouldn't edit war when a fellow editor disagrees with you. Thanks for resorting to my talk page at last. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 05:39, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

My writing about Deobandi scholars doesn't make me wrong, everyone has his field of interest, so is mine. Hujjat al-Islam title isn't just used with Imam Ghazali, though more used with him. Wikipedia is definitely not for sectarianism. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 05:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia should not be for sectarianism, yet you said "Non-Deobandis? Its a lie. It is yet again Barelwism" 21:39, 18 May 2020‎ ... This is takfiri and sectarian which is exactly what I was correcting. Yes this scholar has been called Hujjat al Islam by several Deobandis but never by any Sunni Muslim outside the Deobandi movement. Deobandis are maybe a population of 50 million muslims at most, the remaining 1,850 million muslims do not want to get involved with Deobandi fighting Barelwi and Barelwi fighting Deobandi. Honestly my dear brother I mean this from a good place of love for my fellow Muslim, the fighting between Deobandi and Barelwi is making both groups look bad and hurting the name of Islam. Islam needs unity. Wikipedia cannot be bias to a certain group. There is no problem with me that you are Deobandi, but Barelwis make takfir against Deobandis and vice a versa. The rest of Sunni Muslims do not make takfir, but definitely do not give special titles to scholars of either group. That is only something that Deobandis and Barelwis do to their own scholars to try and sound good and make it seem like they are legitimate and represent all of Sunni Islam, which they do not. Sorry I did not message this board earlier, but I am not as skilled with wikipedia as you. I saw you made 10k edits, masha Allah. I have probably made 10! hahaha. Sorry I did not even know there was a page for you or a way for us to communicate. I promise you honestly I have no problem with you or with Deobandi. I am Shafi'i student of knowledge at madrassah, I see you are also student of knowledge. Please just know that Islam is bigger than this little conflict in India. Sunni Muslims have no part of the Deobandi-Barelwi conflict and you need to stop dragging all Sunni Islam into this fight, actually you need to stop fighting at all! Make peace with the Barelwis. Nothing about Deobandi is superior to Barelwi and also Barelwi is not superior to Deobandi. I hope your madrassah is not teaching you to look down at Barelwi because that would be a bad character and harmful to the Ummah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.111.231 (talk)

I replied that due to your earlier edit summaries which spew hate, that salah behind Deobandi's is not valid. That's completely violation of Wp policy of WP:NPOV plus, don't assume where do I study. I wouldn't have reverted your edit, if you had not dragged it unnecessarily to where it didn't belonged. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 07:14, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

That is untrue. Firstly, my edit was simply to correct the false claim that Sunnis see Nanautavi as Hujjat al Islam. You undid that, so I edited again with my references. You undid that again. I added even more references this time I included the fact that a movement which is larger in size to the Deobandi movement makes takfir against the Deobandis. Look at the facts objectively. Sunnis do not consider Nanautavi to be Hujjat al Islam. Barelwis consider him to be a kafir. Deobandis consider him to be equal to or better than scholars like Imam Ghazali. These are the facts. Being fair and objective shows that Nanautavi does not represent Sunni Islam. Wikipedia is not a place for you to write your opinions or have debates. Wikipedia should be a fair and objective encyclopedia which states the facts from all sides. Yes Nanautavi is considered Hujjat al Islam by his followers, but not by the rest of Sunni Islam. I never stated anything hateful, and the idea you would say my edit spew hate is so hyperbolic is makes me wonder if there is any use talking to you. I never said solah behind Deobandi is invalid. I reference a fatwa from Barelwis which said so in the comment section so that normal readers would not see it, but this mysterious person who keeps erasing my references because he did not like what he saw could read it and realize that he is being totally biased and irrational. Besides, that fact was mentioned only because I was repeatedly blocked from stating the fact that Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah does not recognize any Hujjat al Islam except for Imam Ghazali, so I repeatedly had to come back with more evidence and references. The truth is that Deobandi scholars are not studied or revered outside of the Indian cultural sphere, and even within the Indian cultural sphere they are a minority. Barelwis have more followers and the Grand Mufti of India was a Barelwi before the recent Shafi'i one was elected. By the way, I did not assume where you study ... it is posted on your page ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.111.231 (talk)

69.144.111.231, Give me some time to go through your edits. In India, every single Darul Ifta has its own Grand Mufti. The incumbent is at dispute on the related article. That's not a good example. As of the former, he was regarded as Grand Mufti of Barelwis only, and not of all Indian Sunni Muslims. Ahlussunnah wal Jama’ah is not limited to few groups. And definitely using takfiri fatwas is attack on Wikipedia, because we need a independent, neutral, reliable source to reference any claim. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 07:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I would be analysing each of the sources and edits you made to this article, and answer to your claim that The revered scholar is respected outside India as well. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 08:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Please do look at the various sources I cited. Several academic articles and books. As to the fatwa it would be partisan if I posted the fatwa as if it was a fact. A fatwa is a legal ruling, not a fact. However, to say the Barelwis have such and such a fatwa would be a statement of objective fact, which is exactly what I did. I simply stated the objective fact that Barelwis make takfir of Deobandis, and likewise I could mention fatawa of Deobandis who make takfir of Barelwis. These are neutral statements of fact without taking sides, rather simply pointing out the position of both sides. Brother Deobandis are not studied or known outside of the Deobandi movement, and they are less well known than the Barelwis who are larger in number. Saying the Barelwis are larger in number is also a statement of fact, totally neutral. I never said which group is better in my opinion because Wikipedia is not a place for opinions. Let the facts speak for themselves. And yes the Grand Mufti of India was rejected by Deobandis, but accepted by Hanafis (non affiliated), Barelwis, and Shafi'is. He is elected by the Electoral College. It is not for one person to reject him just because he does not agree. That is very partisan and sectarian. When someone you do not like gets elected he is still your leader. That is how things work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.111.231 (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

You're totally going the wrong side. Deobandi Hanafi ulama and mashayikh have been known world-wide, from Africa to America and Australia to Europe. The particular BIO pages ain't there to mention at the lead that so and so makes takfir. Is Wikipedia a new takfir machine? Just because you haven't known them, doesn't make them unknown. Plus, there's no electoral college here. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 02:05, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Brother you are the one who makes takfir against the Barelwis. "Barelwism" is not a thing. I point out facts. I am objective. You are the one trying to assert your agenda. I simply tried to stop you from claiming to speak for all Sunnis when you speak for Deobandis, not all Sunnis. The comment I make about Barelwis making takfir was never on the wiki page. It was not on the bio page at all, it was pointing out a fatwa to you in the edit comments.. that Deobandis are far from normative Sunni thought, in fact a group makes takfir of them, so obviously they are not normative Sunni Islam. Secondly, you can believe what you want about Deobandis being known all around the world. It is a very haughty world view. That self importance is one thing which makes people who learn about the Deobandi movement turn away from them. Deobandis are only in the Indian cultural sphere, and a minority of the Indian cultural sphere at that. Yeh you can find Deobandis anywhere you find Indian immigrants who are Deobandi (UK, south Africa, Trinidad, etc) but you can also find Barelwis there. You will not find any Deobandis who are not Indian. It is an ethnic religious movement which strayed from normative Sunni thought. That is why they have their own name and their own scholars instead of following the scholars which the rest of Sunni Muslims follow. Even taking the books of Ibn Abidin and Abu Hanifa and teaching them in different ways than the rest of Hanafis I know in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Turkey, etc. Believe me or not, that is your choice. Try to learn more about Islam from normative Sunni thought, not Deobandi movement. Study with a Hanafi who is not from Deobandi movement and you will see a whole different world than what the Deobandis have been telling you about. See Islam and see the world for yourself, do not just take people's narratives as if they are facts. Allah bless you and increase you and draw you near amin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.111.231 (talk) 05:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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Regarding help for this article

Asalamualaikum, I wrote the article Ababeel about 20-30 days back.

Actually, when I got news on National Media (mentioned in references of Ababeel) about harassment of volunteers due to it's name.

Actually this is an Charitable Trust (Regd.) founded in Chenab Valley of Jammu and Kashmir. The work done on ground level is 10x more than it covered online. Due to some policies of this trust, they don't show their faces in videos for preventing Arrogance in them.(belief)

Read out the article you will get to know what it is.

Now the main problem is, I didn't know how to fix the minor edits by which bots index it on Google.

If anyone search Ababeel on Google, it shows Ababeel (Missile) article on top. This is the main reason, police harassed them. When anyone wants to know about this organization online. First result make another image. Due to which Many people call them anti national etc. According to a news report about FIR on 8 volunteers of Ababeel while distributing food to poor.

Look at the article.

Fix the grammar, references, and format.

Thank You TheChunky (talk) 07:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@TheChunky:,  Done: made a move to Ababeel (NGO), please add citations to the history section, so that it becomes verifiable. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 07:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

and please follow the citation format when you add references. See some at any of my articles. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 07:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

It is not NGO actually. It is just called as NGO.

As per their registration record I got. It is registered as Charitable Trust. And no NGO work is done by them.

They only do everything from Charity donations. TheChunky (talk) 07:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear TheChunky we mostly use common name in the titles and avoid full registration name, only because it is known to people as so. If you feel there can be words like organization fitting in title, feel free in making a page move. Best - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 07:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Actually they believe that only Charity (Zakat, Sadkaat) should be used to help people. No funds from Government. As per their religious belief. And I think article should be known as what actually it is.

And also as per research Ababeel NGO is a registered NGO in Assam.

Ababeel is a charitable organization. TheChunky (talk) 07:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The word organization is not good in TITLE.

I thought only word Ababeel should be there. Because there is not article which use only word Ababeel. TheChunky (talk) 07:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@TheChunky:, please have a look at Wikipedia:Article titles. Hope it helps. What about using the title Ababeel (charity organisation) - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 07:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I think Ababeel NGO is good than this. Cuz that is known as NGO. Whatever, if anyone reads the article get all the clearance. What actually it is.

Now kindly set the References in good manner as I know only simple referencing. Also check grammar in this. So that google index it easily. TheChunky (talk) 07:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Muhammad Taqi Usmani

Dear friend. السلام عليكم و رحمة الله تعالى وبركاته. I hope you are fine. Can you please look at the Muhammad Taqi Usmani page. There’s a disruptive editor. Many thanks, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 15:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Wa alykumus salam. Alright. Fighting such vandals is one of the most difficult task here. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 15:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Noor Alam Khalil Amini for deletion

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