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Ghetto riots

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Several reasons for deletion, which broadly fall under verifiability (WP:V) and and neutral point of view (WP:NPOV):

The term 'Ghetto Riots' is not in common use by any reliable contemporary historians, as far as I can tell. All the sources I've found which reference this term are from the period in which it was occurring and just after (the 1968-1971 range). I have not been able to find any contemporary sources that reference 'ghetto riots' or any comparable name for this series of events. In fact, I haven't found any indication that this particular series of riots should be regarded separately from the Civil Rights Movement in general.
This article covers a topic that is covered much more effectively by other pages, such as 'Mass racial violence in the United States' and 'Civil rights movement.' Both of those pages cover this period in greater detail, more effectively describe and link to the events discussed in this article, and do a better job of contextualizing riots within other historical events occurring at the time. This page isn't adding anything to our understanding of this topic.
There are a variety of issues with neutral point of view. The best examples of this are in the Introduction and Background sections, which make a variety of unsubstantiated assertions. The name of the article itself is also debatable, given the controversial connotations of the word 'ghetto,' and the fact that the term 'ghetto riots' is not used by any contemporary historians. Of course, these impartiality issues by themselves aren't cause to delete the page, but in conjunction with the other issues listed, I think it makes more sense to just delete it than to try and repair it.

In short, this article uses a term that is no longer in use for a series of events which are well-explained elsewhere, and has overarching POV issues. It should be deleted.

This is my first time nominating an article for deletion, so apologies in advance if I'm not following the right process here. Thanks! Coffeespoons (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. Coffeespoons (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Coffeespoons (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coffeespoons (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Coffeespoons (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose No problem Coffeespoons, I don't really know the proper deletion process either. I'll add my two cents. There are modern scholars and commentators that refer to this period as the "ghetto violence of the 1960s" or more often the "ghetto rebellions". You are right that the specific term "ghetto riots" I've found to be mostly used by scholars in the 1960s and 70s. I'll drop some links for the modern usage of "ghetto rebellions". I do recognize that this phenomenon is separate (although related) to the civil rights movement. While the civil rights movement was a long mostly non violent organized protest movement for desegregation, these riots were spontaneous and unorganized clashes in American cities. I think issues of the article's naming and neutrality are real and can be fixed. I think we should also expand and add info that describes more about this unique phenomenon in American history. This page has some problems, but I'd rather see it fixed than deleted.Mangokeylime (talk) 00:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom, this is a content fork of other, better articles that do not have the same WP:FRINGE and WP:NPOV problems. Devonian Wombat (talk) 12:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, The use of the term "ghetto" is thoroughly covered in both the sources cited in the article and those cited by Mangokeylime. The specific term "ghetto riots" may not be specifically used in the literature, as a scholarly consensus is absent and is not meant to be a set name like a battle in a war, but it is a descriptor of a string of related events that, per Mangokeylime's source, "turned them from episodic outbreaks of discontent into a force that transformed U.S. politics." You're right that it is not separate from the rest of the Civil Rights Movement, but it is distinct, characterized by the same tactics, time period, similar locations, and caused by the same material conditions, and so I don't think it can be accurately described as just "mass violence." Would we delete all of the articles about medieval Peasant Rebellions to a more general article about "mass violence"? I would think not. You talk about claims being unsubstantiated, so name them. Additionally, it is a useful content fork that helps organize a series of multiple related events through its table and helps readers understand why they're related by being a standalone article. Ultimately, I don't believe a deletion is warranted. Ashleyisvegan (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The riots were a real, historical event. Removing the page for them would seem to imply that they either weren't historically relevant, or that they didn't happen at all. If you have real concerns about the tone/neutrality of this page, then the page should be revised to reflect those concerns. Surely, deleting the page would have the opposite effect? It certainly isn't neutral to erase history.

Yoshmaster (talk) 16:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''', per nom, this is a content fork of other, better articles that do not have the same [[WP:FRINGE]] and [[WP:NPOV]] problems. [[User:Devonian Wombat|Devonian Wombat]] ([[User talk:Devonian Wombat|talk]]) 12:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''', The use of the term "ghetto" is thoroughly covered in both the sources cited in the article and those cited by Mangokeylime. The specific term "ghetto riots" may not be specifically used in the literature, as a scholarly consensus is absent and is not meant to be a set name like a battle in a war, but it is a descriptor of a string of related events that, per Mangokeylime's source, "turned them from episodic outbreaks of discontent into a force that transformed U.S. politics." You're right that it is not separate from the rest of the Civil Rights Movement, but it is distinct, characterized by the same tactics, time period, similar locations, and caused by the same material conditions, and so I don't think it can be accurately described as just "mass violence." Would we delete all of the articles about medieval Peasant Rebellions to a more general article about "mass violence"? I would think not. You talk about claims being unsubstantiated, so name them. Additionally, it is a useful content fork that helps organize a series of multiple related events through its table and helps readers understand why they're related by being a standalone article. Ultimately, I don't believe a deletion is warranted. [[User:Ashleyisvegan|Ashleyisvegan]] ([[User talk:Ashleyisvegan|talk]]) 20:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''': The riots were a real, historical event. Removing the page for them would seem to imply that they either weren't historically relevant, or that they didn't happen at all. If you have real concerns about the tone/neutrality of this page, then the page should be revised to reflect those concerns. Surely, deleting the page would have the opposite effect? It certainly isn't neutral to erase history.
+[[User:Yoshmaster|Yoshmaster]] ([[User talk:Yoshmaster|talk]]) 16:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)