User talk:Transcendental

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Re: Hmong people

Thanks for your note regarding my edits to "Hmong people." I am in the process of editing and adding relevant sources. I request a reversion/reinstatement of my changes so that I can do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zajyawm (talk • contribs) 15:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Please do not resubmit your content without reliable references. Please see WP:REF for information. Thank you. Transcendental36 (talk) 15:47, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Apologies

Sorry but as you can see the page had mixed up content sorry to have erased it but I made no mistake sorry for the inconvenience caused by me Zmove1235 (talk) 17:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Zmove1235 Not a problem. Next time you make an edit to an existing article, please ensure that you provide an accurate edit summary so that other contributors can know your reasoning. Best of luck. Transcendental36 (talk) 18:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Re: Edit undone

Hello, I provided a link to the Boeing 737 article on Wikipedia. My edit on the Lufthansa page is 100% copy-pasted text from the Boeing 737 article. There was no source provided on the 737 article regarding that statement in particular. If the information submitted on the 737 article is not correct/trustworthy, then why is it there and why has it not been reverted as well?

My edit is a copy-paste of the last sentence from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737#Introduction — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.12.57.142 (talk) 17:24, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, thanks for following up with me instead of reverting. You hold a great point, I did not realize that this was a direct copy from the Boeing 737 page. I asked a question at the Tea House about this for guidance. Transcendental36 (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

176.12.57.142, I've gotten feedback from posting on the Tea House. Please have a look. Thanks again for reaching out. Transcendental36 (talk) 19:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

October 2020

Samf4u, I think you had a glitch there. I sent the notice to the real perpetrator. Cheers, Transcendental36 (talk) 14:04, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Yep, I hit the Huggle button less than a second after your revert. I'm sorry. - Samf4u (talk) 14:08, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Scott D. Berrier

Hi! I think you made an error because I DID add a reference: https://www.facebook.com/TheJointStaff/posts/3344327392313681 2001:7E8:CC4C:6800:6C9C:76C8:AA18:DFD3 (talk) 15:13, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, thanks for reaching out to me on my talk page. Facebook is considered generally unreliable because it is a self-published source with no editorial oversight. Please take a look at this article on how to find a reliable source to use as guidance. Best, Transcendental36 (talk) 15:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

• It is a fine reference. It is their own page. It is the same as if they were interviewed. See the below three discussions about similar issues. If this continues, we should ask for an admin to take a look at what is going on - we can't have disruption here because of misunderstanding. --2604:2000:E010:1100:6DC2:B323:F0C5:CC83 (talk) 13:09, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Lana Del Rey

Hello, I'm MyJunoBaldwin, and I was the person that made the original edit about the face mask controversy on the Lana Del Rey page. Thank you for fixing that issue of the person taking down the story. I'm new to this, so I wanted to give my appreciation. Hope this wasn't a major issue for you going back and forth with the user. Again, thank you, and have a wonderful day... — Preceding unsigned comment added by MyJunoBaldwin (talk • contribs) 15:59, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

And my thanks go out to you for contributing constructively to Wikipedia. Cheers, Transcendental36 (talk) 16:32, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Why are you threatening me?

U r threatening be for getting be blocked. Plz explain what I did wrong. How is it Vandalism??Islam=peace and love (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

You are threatening me of getting be blocked. Please explain why you are doing this. I am not vandalizng, rather you are vandalizing by removing important text. Please explain how my edits and which ones, contribute to vandalism.Islam=peace and love (talk) 15:17, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for reaching out to me. Do understand I have not threatened you in any way. I have simply given you a warning that your vandalism, such as when you wrote "He is famous for his racist, Islamophobic, and white-supremacist beliefs" here and here without any reliable source to back your claims, and may lead to administration action. Please have a look at Wikipedia's guidelines if you have any questions. Thanks, Transcendental36 (talk) 15:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:RELIABLE Is also a good place to start. Best, Transcendental36 (talk) 15:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

But the information that I added is the same information which is written further down on the page. If I use the citations for that, then it will be okay, right?Islam=peace and love (talk) 15:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Precisely, this is what is written further down on the page: "Anning is known for holding far-right nativist and anti-Muslim views,[3][4] and has been criticized for his use of the Nazi euphemism for the Holocaust when he proposed a plebiscite to be the "final solution" to "the immigration problem" in his maiden speech."Islam=peace and love (talk) 15:43, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

I see, this seems to be more of a Neutral Point of View issue. The article already talks about these criticisms, but whether or not this should be in the opening paragraph of the article should be discussed in the articles talk page. In fact, there's already a section about this right now. Take a look there and express your concerns. That's your best place to get a general consensus before making that change to the article's page. Best, Transcendental36 (talk) 15:49, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

I am just now looking into the history of this page in question. I understand now that your edits have been in good faith and are not vandalism. My apologies for the warning. You made a BOLD edit which may or may not be accepted by the regular contributors of that article, and expressing your desire to make this change in the talk page can help achieve consensus. Thanks again for reaching out Transcendental36 (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

In a WP:BLP, you should add inline citations for contentious claims even if they are repeated from another well-cited instance. And you should write a BLP very conservatively. That particular wording looks problematic, so I'm glad it's being discussed. Contentious material in BLPs once challenged should not be added back without WP:CONSENSUS. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for reverting several unconstructive edits on ballet related articles and warning the perpetrator. I just reported the user for sockpuppetry. There was another new user with very similar editing pattern yesterday. Corachow (talk) 14:48, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Corachow: You're very welcome. I already reported the user in question to the admins for vandalism. I'll update my report with a link to yours to help speed things along. Best of luck, Transcendental (talk) 14:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your note

Thank you for your note on edit warring. I have tried explaining the situation to the other party in a clear and concise manner, but unfortunately they appear to be unable or unwilling to comprehend what they're doing wrong, so I've had to take the unfortunate step of reporting them for just that. Hopefully the stewards and/or vandalism squad can help in this matter because I'm not quite sure how to get through to someone who won't see reason. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5C1:4502:C380:349D:356A:D89C:A4FF (talk) 19:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello @2601:5C1:4502:C380:349D:356A:D89C:A4FF:, I would advise against reporting the other contributor as you are not entirely innocent in this matter. Neither you or the other contributor have attempted to bring the the dispute to the article's talk page and you have well exceeded the Three Revert Rule. I think it's best to not worry about winning the argument and instead focus on resolving the dispute on the article's talk page so that the correct content may be displayed on the article in question. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia, Transcendental (talk) 19:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

In this case, I concur that it is probably best to let baby have their bottle. It's certainly not worth any extended conflict. I guess they just feel that the article can only be updated on their schedule, and no one else's. I'll still check in on it though, since ironically, for the past couple of weeks, I've had to fill in the missing data that they've failed to update. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5C1:4502:C380:349D:356A:D89C:A4FF (talk) 20:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I agree that conflict is not the answer here. However, let's keep the personal attacks at a minimum here and assume good faith. Contributors like myself or Tobi999tomas are not on a schedule and are simply here to improve Wikipedia. You are more than welcome to join the Wikipedia community by creating an account if you feel that you are willing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. You can find more information here. Please take a look at them when you have the time so you may avoid any complications such as this one in the future, and we welcome your contributions. Feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions or ask away at the Tea House, we are here to help. Best, Transcendental (talk) 21:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Adema band page

Dear Transcendental,

You mentioned a not reliable source was mentioned on the Adema page, Could you explain why the official facebook page or their webshop link is not an official source? Furthermore the information provided is in my opinion, something that adds to the page. Your help in reverting your change is much appreciated. Many thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.131.156.154 (talk) 14:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello @145.131.156.154: Thanks for getting back to me. Facebook is considered generally unreliable because it is a self-published source with no editorial oversight. Take a look at WP:RELIABILITY. Also adding your opinion on a Wikipedia article is strictly forbidden. Please let me know if you still have any questions. Transcendental (talk) 15:00, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion. I disagree that the bands webshop is an unreliable source however but will read into this more. Do you perhaps know how to remove history on a user talk page? Realising I'm on a public computer and love to remove the history for this IP and register my own account. Haven't been able to find a solution online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.131.156.154 (talk) 15:17, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Revision history is usually permanent, so you won't be able to remove it from the given IP address. Once you create an account, however, your IP address will be hidden and cannot be traced back to you. Lastly, it's common practice here to end your comment with four tildes (~). Check out WP:SIGNATURE. Hope this helps, Transcendental (talk) 15:48, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, feel free to close this now. Andromeda232153 (talk) 15:56, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• It is a reliable source. It is the band's own page - not a fanpage of the band. It is reliable, same as an interview would be reliable. Not precisely the same issue, but see the two comments by editors below, over similar but distince issues. 2604:2000:E010:1100:6DC2:B323:F0C5:CC83 (talk) 13:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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Why

I create a french text about diane roy... why you delete it? Offizial Paprika (talk) 20:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't see what you're referring to from looking at your contribution history. Do you mind elaborating? Transcendental (talk) 20:46, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Your reverts

You have reverted completely appropriate EL additions, stating "Repeated addition of external links by non-autoconfirmed user." But these are appropriate ELs. Please self-revert. IPs are allowed to add appropriate ELs. --2604:2000:E010:1100:B50C:B066:E244:2AEB (talk) 20:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Please take a look at WP:LINKSTOAVOID (#10) and please stop linking social media sites on the EL section. Thanks! Transcendental (talk) 21:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

It is perfectly appropriate as an external link when the subject of the article has no regular website. It is only not appropriate where the subject has his own website. Not the case here. Do a search - there are hundreds (thousands?) of such ELs on wikipedia. There is even a template created for them, if one wishes to use it. For ELs. Template:Instagram. --2604:2000:E010:1100:B50C:B066:E244:2AEB (talk) 21:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

A case of "other stuff exists" isn't viable here. They also have their own pages on ESPN, CBS Sports, etc. so clearly they have webpages dedicated to them. What does the article have to gain by having the person's social media on it? Transcendental (talk) 21:35, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

In addition, WP:ELBLP explains it very well why Instagram does not belong in a WP:BLP. It's simply not a reliable source. Best, Transcendental (talk) 21:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

And another, see WP:INSTAGRAM. Only reason to add Instagram is "when the subject of the article has no other Web presence", which is clearly not the case here. Hope this clears things up, Transcendental (talk) 21:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

While the nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on what other articles do or do not exist, and while these comparisons are not a conclusive test, they may form part of a cogent argument; an entire comment should not be dismissed because it includes a comparative statement like this.

As to your meta question of "what does an article have to gain," the answer is that the article has the same thing to gain as when - when a subject has their own personal web page - we provide a link to that. The reader who is interested in learning more or seeing more about the subject can do so. That is why we provide ELs to their personal web pages, when those exist.

There is a difference that wp stresses between using an Instagram page as a reliable source - not the case here, and as an EL - the case here.

The "web presence" that is being referred to is a personal web page. If a subject has one, it will link naturally to their instagram and twitter pages, which is why we do not then add those as ELs. Again - not the case here. 2604:2000:E010:1100:B50C:B066:E244:2AEB (talk) 21:50, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

"There is a difference that wp stresses between using an Instagram page as a reliable source - not the case here, and as an EL - the case here." -- WP:ELBLP is specifically referring to ELs which is the case here. WP:INSTAGRAM also has a section referring to external links that also backs my claim. What part in these WP guidelines state otherwise?

"The "web presence" that is being referred to is a personal web page" -- Where does it say this? A web presence is self explanatory: having a presence on the web. Do the existing ELs on these BLPs not satisfy this? Transcendental (talk) 16:01, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Musician Guy Davis's Facebook page

You left me a message about [Guy Davis] I had linked to his Facebook page. I don't understand why you removed it and what you consider inappropriate about his Facebook page. Guy uses his Facebook page to update his fans on where he's playing. He posts multiple times per week. His website is also listed on his wiki page, unfortunately he doesn't update his web site like he does his Facebook page. Any fan that wants information about Guy goes to his Facebook page. I also see his old My Space page is listed, he doesn't post or update there either.

I personally don't know him or his music. His parents were the focus of a thread on a message board I go to. I tried to link to the thread but Wiki doesn't allow the site. Google strange ancestry of actor, Ossie Davis if you want to see it. A member there and I have been doing his family tree. I needed information about Guy's great grandparents; so I wanted to contact him. His Wiki page was the 1st link on Google. I then went to his web site which didn't have the information I needed, then his My Space, so I googled to see if he had a Facebook page. I then contacted him through his Facebook page; his manager replied to me, then sent me an email so that he could put me in touch with Guys sister.

His Facebook page being linked on Wiki is needed. As I said, it's his main platform to update his fans.

Guy Davis - American Roots Artist

Your message to me -

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Hello, I'm Transcendental. I wanted to let you know that one or more external links you added to Guy Davis (musician) have been removed because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Transcendental (talk) 15:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

AdvocateNJ (talk) 12:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Advocate - see my above discussion with this editor about a parallel issue. 2604:2000:E010:1100:6DC2:B323:F0C5:CC83 (talk) 13:03, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm clueless what you're talking about. I don't get on Wiki that often. Can you just tell me why without me having to go to another page and try to figure out what user you're talking about?

As I said, I don't understand what's inappropriate about Guy's Facebook page. Maybe I'll message Guy to tell him to contact Wiki to see why his Facebook page can't be linked. AdvocateNJ (talk) 15:51, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello @AdvocateNJ: The IP user was referring to the ongoing discussion right above this one, titled "Your reverts". Regarding your situation, Guy Davis' official website is already listed on the article's "External Links" section. Wikipedia generally prefers to keep social media links out of article pages. For additional information, please refer to WP:FACEBOOK. Best, Transcendental (talk) 16:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Navid Afkari

Hi there, instead of just reverting edits, please check the sources, none of the provided sources mention Torkman as an IRGC agent and the charges have been edited and expanded on the originaly provided sources. Farzam1370 (talk) 16:34, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Farzam1370: As seen in your recent contribution, you are removing existing sources without replacing them with reliable sources that match your claims. The one source that you've added, Iran Newswire, does not appear to be recognized as a reliable source by Wikipedia. Lastly, there is an ongoing discussion about this dispute in the article's talk page. Please review it before adding back your WP:BOLD edit. Thanks, Transcendental (talk) 16:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I didn't added Iran wire as a source, it was tge pre existing source, you would have known that if you had bothered to look it up, and again him being an IRGC member is not mentioned in any of the provided sources.

Please be kind and look it up, also writing senteences like "protesiting against dictatorship of Khamenei" is impartial and more than taht not mentioned in the source, so my advice is look at the edits more carefully.Farzam1370 (talk) 17:16, 11 December 2020 (UTC)