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The 1948 Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

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This article is guilty of many crimes - extreme POV (beginning with the name), soap-boxing, it's unreferenced, and it's almost unreadable. It's a small part from a recently uploaded and deleted article (for copyright reason), which was based on an unpublished book. okedem 15:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The whole issue is dealt with in in great detail in several articles, mainly Palestinian exodus, and Palestinian refugee. Also is Arab-Israeli conflict, and 1948 Arab-Israeli War (also, by the way, the counterpart - Jewish exodus from Arab lands). okedem 16:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even the name is completely POV. okedem 16:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are forums to rename articles. I guess my next question would be, which of those articles deals with the actual claims of ethnic cleansing, not just mentions it as part of a larger article. If one exists I would be more then happy to change to delete. However it seems by the number of articles you can cite, there doesnt exist to be a parent article focuing on the topic only. Any info you have is well appreciated. --NuclearZer0 16:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The main claim is dealt with in full in Palestinian exodus. That's the whole point of that article, how and why so many Arabs left some areas in Palestine. Did they leave of their own accord? Were they driven out? That article deals with it. okedem 16:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Actually it says what it says because its a blatant "copy and paste" copyright violation (the links and external refs are a later addition from a different editor) from a Palestinian website. It doesn't even set out to be a neutral encyclopedic article in the first place. It should have just been speedily deleted at the outset under CSD12 but I guess since there is already a discussion in place, the admins are letting it run its course. --Eqdoktor 11:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete G12 (copyright infringement) per Eqdoktor. That link didn't work for me before - it still doesn't. However, I did a bit of digging - the first Google hit for a phrase in the article is the link you provided. It's still down, but a cached copy confirms that this is a copyvio. (LOL, I guess I learned something from marking a bunch of copy-pasted essays as a uni tutor.) However, I still feel this topic should be briefly mentioned in Palestinian exodus - we just can't copy-paste this text, is all. Quack 688 12:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This article deals with historical facts that has happened to the original people of Palestine, the delete requests are only POV from Israel supporters to cover the historical facts, Wikipedia is the soruce for knowledge. article is growing and more reference. will be included. 16:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.198.118 (talk • contribs)
The whole issue is covered in the Palestinian exodus article. There are so many different reason to delete this so called article, it's amazing. The copyright violation, the incomprehensibility, the extreme POV nature, starting with the very name, the fact it's completely unsourced. okedem 15:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Everyone, please note that this anonymous user has already voted, above. He has also changed comments by Quack 688, and Eqdoktor, by putting a strike through their vote.
And to you, anonymous user, the whole topic is already covered in another article, so this one is a POV fork, and should thus by deleted. Perhaps you'll also learn that attacking other users is frowned upon. okedem 10:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, it adds lies - like saying "The "Jewish Quarter" in Jerusalem was created as a result of the transfer of Palestinians...", when the Jewish quarter has existed for ages, and its Jewish residents were driven out by Arabs in 1948. okedem 10:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Um, 24.209.198.118, during this AfD, you've done the following:
- Restored NuclearZer0's keep comment (a comment that he struck through himself). [1]
- Put a strike through comments from Eqdoktor and myself, not once but twice - even after Okedem used an edit summary to tell you it was inappropriate. [2] [3]
- Voted keep twice, as shown in links one and three above. For the record, saying keep in bold text twice, as you've done, is voting twice.
I've restored everyone else's posts to their original forms, but all I've done to yours is add unsigned comments. I don't know what the exact procedure around here is for acts like these, but I'm sure a kind soul will enlighten me. Quack 688 11:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. All that aside, back to the article. If a few people have publicly referred to the Palestinian exodus as an "ethnic cleansing", that should be at least mentioned in that article. Some of the sources listed here could be used over there. But all this article is doing is attempting to establish an "ethnic cleansing" case by itself. Comments like "The Israeli occupation government uses a racist ID card system" are irrelevant. Does one of the sources listed actually say that this ID card is an ethnic cleansing tool? Or are you simply using this claim to build up your own argument? Quack 688 11:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Palestinian exodus has happened in the year 1948 and is not the same as the continuous “ethnic cleansing” , I have referenced many articles using the term “ethnic cleansing”.. What else do you call the “tactic” of a government using a special policy of house demolishing, special ID card system, special planning permission and building laws, temporary residency ID and ID card revocation against a sect of its own residents…. But Ethnic Cleansing tactic

Moderators please look at most of the above voters’ profiles and IPs and take NPOV into account. This topic is not covered anywhere else and deserves its own page to have extensive coverage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.198.118 (talk • contribs)

First off, what you're doing is attacking users for their identity and nationality. Stop it at once. My personal opinions have nothing to do with this (nor do you know anything about me, except that I'm an Israeli. Guess that makes me guilty of whatever it is you're claiming).
We can all read, and the name of that article is "The 1948 Ethnic Cleansing...". If you want to talk about other time periods, you're dealing with the wrong article. More so, what you want is a partisan article, advocating your own POV. You won't get it. If you have any meaningful, well referenced data, you can use it to enhance existing articles. Otherwise, go open up a blog for your rants. okedem 18:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Um.. saying you don't have a NPOV is not attacking you, unless you want to feel so....

This article is in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines on Citing and the content is varifiable.... according to wikipedia your views fit here [bias] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.198.118 (talk • contribs)

  • This article doens't meet the listing policy for AfD, its spelled clearly in the deletion[Policy]. no matter what the vote result outcome is, this article doen't meet the deletion policy it and shouldn't have been voted on in the first place....This topic is not covered anywhere else and deserves its own page to have extensive coverage Saying the truth 21:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Although I do not endorse the existence of this article, the listing of this article for deletion was done in bad faith. No debate occured on talk page, no attempt was made to move to an appropriate name. No discussion of any sort was made to come to an agreement with a user who is apparently very new. Also, the POV argument doesn't hold in light of Rwandan genocide. I suspect the intention behind deleting this article are just as POVish as the intention behind creating thsi article.Bless sins 22:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't accuse me of bad faith. The article was created, and then deleted as it was a copyright violation. Then it was recreated, only shorter. It was copied from some website, based on an unpublished book. Apart from the copyright violation, it's a POV fork of Palestinian Exodus, written to advocate a certain viewpoint. As such, it should be deleted. It still should, as no one can even make up their mind what this article is trying to talk about (even the user who uploaded it called it "1948...", and then claimed it's about today as well). For allegations about current issues, there's Allegations of Israeli apartheid. This article looks like an opinion column, and has no place here. Also, the user has engaged in personal attacks, using ad hominem tactics, and attacking users (such as myself) for their nationality. okedem 21:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
you keep saying based on unpublished book, which is not true
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

A you may also want to have a look at some results of a quick search on Amazon 

Israel/Palestine: How to End the War of 1948 (Paperback)
Speaking The Truth: Zionism, Israel, And Occupation (Paperback)

Ethnic Cleansing
Records of Dispossession: Palestinian Refugee Property and the Arab-Israeli Conflict (The Institute for Palestine Studies Series) (Hardcover)

if this is not enough, I could bring whole a lot more references.... Please keep your POV out of Wikipedia 24.209.198.118 01:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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