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Define "lolcows"?

The article now states that Kiwi Farms discusses online figures and communities it deems "lolcows" without saying anything more about what the latter term means. Someone who looks up the forum without being familiar with it already is likely to be confused by this, so adding a definition of 'lolcow' could be useful, especially since Lolcow just redirects here. One way to do this would be to just use the forum's own definition (on their site, archived here; by WP:ABOUTSELF this seems to be a reliable source for the forum's usage of the term) and append it to the first sentence thus: ... figures and communities it deems "lolcows", or "people and groups whose eccentric or foolish behavior can be "milked" for amusement and laughs." (followed by the appropriate citation) - 73.195.249.93 (talk) 02:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We've got the definition at wikt:lolcow so I added it in. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 April 2021

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:08, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mad at the Internet

The Kiwi Farms podcast has been hosted on Apple Podcasts and Spotify since February 2019, holding a 4.9-star rating on the former.[1][2] 2601:281:CC01:2320:69BF:1E3:7170:5BC (talk) 01:58, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]


References

  1. ^ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mad-at-the-internet/id1476411812
  2. ^ https://open.spotify.com/show/3H0kf8P9sMOVbJoVSD5nxn

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 June 2021

Hello

Another suicide is directly attributed to kiwi farms.

Please find suicide note here https://kotaku.com/the-brilliant-snes-emulator-creator-known-as-near-has-d-1847182851/amp

Please find the victims friends statement here https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/12pOhaaFh998B0kyc5Sm4IhlhIp1c9t5gDNTVVPaiJgI/mobilebasic

Please edit the page accordingly.

Other references to Google are Bsnes developer suicide. (aka Near)

My email equilibrium3@live.co.za 41.146.138.49 (talk) 03:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:09, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
RIP Near :(. Might have enough coverage, so far it's [1] and [2] — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 11:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide of Near

I'm going to move this to the talk page per Primefac. @PhotographyEdits, Susmuffin, Berrely, and Blakegripling ph: I think that you are the most recent editors to the page, so tagging you here. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • So far the arguments for including it center around coverage while the arguments against center around there being no confirmation of the death, if I understand properly. (I keep this page on my watch list, so thought I'd go ahead and start a discussion to get things rolling.) ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here's the coverage thus far:
  1. Kotaku
  2. Nintendo Life
  3. GameRant
I don't know if I missed anything, I'm trying to stick to just the sites known to be RS on here. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So far there are 2 sources (of which I find reliable) that talk about the sucicide and Kiwi Farm's association, and I'm not sure if there's any specific policy on this. Maybe WP:BLPCRIME is of use? — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 12:30, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative with GameRant, they often overdramaticise stories, and their sister site, ScreenRant is generally unreliable with BLP related news per WP:RSP — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 12:34, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My largest concern here is the lack of confirmation. An individual made a series of posts that implied they were going to take their life, which I don't think anyone is disputing, and which is tragic in its own right. I know we may never get true proof-of-death, which is always an issue with these sorts of topics (be it a natural death, divorce, date of birth, or other things that don't usually get widely reported as part of a person's normal life). This could have been a cry for help, or only an attempt (i.e. they could be in the hospital now recovering), or they backed out at the last minute and are too ashamed to resurface online (the list goes on, and less charitable, so I'll stop there).
There certainly could be room for including it as a "look what Kiwi did to this person" (i.e. the posts, the response, etc), but do we then include every such instance that makes the press? Primefac (talk) 12:40, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe then the wording could be changed to make it sound less definitive? “In June 2021, following a series of posts claiming they were going to take their own life, SNES emulation developer "Near" was reported to have taken their own life due to harrasement received from Kiwi Farms” or something similar to that. — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 12:44, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure if it meets our requirements. Kiwi Farms is mentioned in passing in the Kotaku article. Meanwhile, the Nintendo Life article does not actually mention it. Instead, one of the embedded tweets discusses it. I do not feel that there is enough usable content here at this time. ―Susmuffin Talk 18:46, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
According to someone close to Near on Twitter, the police confirmed their death. In addition, supposedly the story was reported on Nippon TV, but I do not yet have a source for this. --73.78.27.163 (talk) 13:17, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Problem is, although it's very likely, we have no way of 100% confirming this. — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 13:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully (from an RS perspective) if it's actually on Nippon TV someone else will pick it up. Primefac (talk) 13:20, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a screen capture, if it helps. --73.78.27.163 (talk) 13:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's another coverage by an RS:
  1. Video Games Chronicle
On another note, GameRant is deemed unreliable on WP:VG/S (if it has any relevance here), also with what Berrely has mentioned above. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 14:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's just a rehash of the NintendoLife article, fwiw. Primefac (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's true. I'm just adding to the list of coverage we have so far. But to a certain extent, you can also argue that the articles are all more and less the same since they're all using almost the same primary sources (i.e. Near's tweets, the mutual friend's tweets). VGC just decided to cite Nintendo Life.
By the way, it seems that the Nintendo Life's article as well as Kotaku has an update where the mutual friend had spoken to the police department. So take note of this, everyone. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 18:36, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the webmaster of Kiwi Farms rejected the accusations and started blaming Near for lying and things like that. Pitiful.

DDoS

To not go into edit warring, I'm asking you here first @Primefac:. I think the DDoS info can be move to the history paragraph, do you agree? It's not really a controversy indeed, but there is an independent source. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this primarily because it seemed a little UNDUE. As I said in the edit summary, DDoS attacks happen all the time; why is this one particularly notable? There doesn't seem to be any inciting incident or long-term ramifications, so I guess it just doesn't seem like something relevant or useful to keep in the article. If there was a reason (e.g. they pissed someone off) then it might make more sense to include it. Primefac (talk) 14:35, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should we link?

Given the activity this site engages in (the stalking, the harassment, the suicide-baiting, the actual body count) is it really ethical to have a link to the site itself here? Obviously people could google it themselves and get there that way if they really wanted to, but it seems like the best thing to do would be to give them as little oxygen of amplification as possible. 2601:601:9A7F:4A0:C46B:3B4A:A549:FF04 (talk) 18:43, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is encyclopedic to link to the entity's website. If people want to find it, they will find it even if we don't link to it. We shouldn't link to specific threads on the site, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 June 2021 (2)

Change: 

<ref name="Near Twitter thread">{{cite web |last1=Near (@near_koukai) |url=https://twitter.com/near_koukai/status/1408940057235312640?s=20 |website=[[Twitter]] |access-date=28 June 2021}}</ref>

To: 

<ref name="Near Twitter thread">{{Cite tweet|number=1408940057235312640|user=near_kouhai|title=This is me. My real name is Dave. Sorry, I've never been able to smile.|date=June 26, 2021|author=Near|language=en}}</ref>

Notes:

Thank you. Arki J. Kirwin-Muller! (talk) 20:35, 28 June 2021 (UTC) Arki J. Kirwin-Muller! (talk) 20:35, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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