Talk:Falun Gong outside mainland China

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Unsourced

Most of this article doesn't include References. You have 72 hours to start sourcing this article or I will remove all unsourced statements. CovenantD 13:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV material removed

I see that the material relating to Falun Gong outside China in the Falun Gong page has been moved and expanded into this article. However, some material appears to have been lost in the process, with the result that the present article (this one) appears to be non-NPOV. In particular, it appears to have removed any references to activities by admitted Falun Gong practitioners which would thrown the movement into a negative light. In particular, I'm concerned about the removal of material relating to (1) visa rorts by claiming to be a Falun Gong practitioner; (2) the proliferation of Falun Gong media outlets, and questions about their funding; (3) critics of Falun Gong outside China. I am also concerned about the lack of references as noted in the comment above, in particular the "awards" section, which does not seem appropriate in an article about a spiritual movement (e.g., would the Christianity page have a section about "awards"?) --Sumple (Talk) 00:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This move, which was done before consensus was reached and in the middle of an edit war, was done by a practitioner. Many of the Criticism and controversies about Falun Gong were also spun off into their own daughter article, so you might find some of the info there. Please check it out and let's see about getting this article up to par. CovenantD 00:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Official Falun Gong Week/Month"

The Wiki on Saskatoon makes no mention of any Falun Gong Week. It seems something that would've invited the criticism of the Chinese government would've made the article. Is there any proper source for this relatively outrageous claim? -spetz

Hong Kong

Hong Kong is part of the People's Republic of China. Nevertheless as a separate legal jurisdiction Falun Gong is legal and allowed. Hong Kong is currently within the subject matter of this article, despite its title. This article should therefore be renamed Falun Gong outside mainland China to reflect its actual scope. — Insta ntnood 22:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This above is only a proposal by one user, obviously pending public discussion. Jsw663 14:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Either protray Hong Kong as not part of the PRC, or change the title. The ~~latter~~ former is, nevertheless, not true and should be avoided on Wikipedia. — Insta ntnood 12:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC) (modified 20:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Indonesia Jakarta outrage

deleting certainly i cannot put netral point of view cause still clouded by upset and pain they do let other people who have more netral view from both side write about this anciddent. Daimond 09:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

wel wel i have been shocking the epoch time are part of falungong so my upset are right they bending the truth and could lying freely like that?Daimond 09:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

well certainly there i have put more balance whatever there the ancident happened and they rejection case, do not tried look every palce in the world would welcome falungong. this i put balance references in the side articel so many people could hear both side argument.Daimond 06:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have re-written the Indonesia section for clearer expression, and also added information about similar local community reactions in Australia and the US. Mentioning this aspect of Falun Gong's record outside China introduces a level of balance to the article, I think, and also shows that there is a dimension to the whole episode other than the Falun Gong - Communist Party conflict. --Sumple (Talk) 07:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They've also been banned from Chinese New Year celebrations in Paris, but I don't know enough about the situation to comment. If others know more about those events, please add! --Sumple (Talk) 07:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Distribution of printed media

I added the section "Distribution of printed media", Couldn't think of a better name. I am aware the section is a little short... but there doesn't seem to be much to write. I added the Image which i scanned and uploaded : ) so you cannot say its a unbased statement =P Fierywindz 06:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Overseas Suppression

"Suppression" is a loaded word that is unfit to describe such current, on-going phenomenon that has no established evaluation. I suggest it be changed "Oversea Resistance" or be expanded to be named "Oversea Reaction" with its content modified accordingly. Chevrox 12:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suppression is loaded, but it is relatively neutral and a compromise from both sides. Whether it is an encyclopedic word is up for debate. You may want to contribute to the discussion on the Talk page of the Falun Gong entry - you will be heard there. Jsw663 13:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deletion of my edits

Recently, someone deleted my additions, which are:

However, the Falun Gong knows that unidentified individuals or organizations are working for the Chinese Communists because the Falun Gong have the power of prophecy <ref>[www.minghui.ca/mh/articles/2004/3/3/68902.html Clear Wisdom: Prophecy doesn't just predict the future]</ref>.

and

On numerous occasions, including his interviews with [[Time magazine]] and [[Voice of Asia]], [[Li Hongzhi]] has explained that space aliens will invade the earth. <ref>[http://www.xys.org/xys/netters/Fang-Zhouzi/religion/falun10.txt Fang Zhouzi - Ten pieces dissecting the Falun Gong]</ref> It is quite clear that these space aliens are acting on orders from the government of the [[People's Republic of China]]. The famous Roswell space alien autopsy video shows that one of the space aliens has a star-shaped mark on his lower left arm - the same symbol borne by troops of the [[People's Liberation Army]] of China. Clearly, he was a scout for the Communist space aliens. However, it is claimed that countering these Communist space aliens will be difficult, because, as Falun Gong website Clear Wisdom net explains <ref>[http://media.minghui.org/mh/articles/1999/7/18/8404.html Clear Wisdom net - Falun Gong is not fake science; Falun Gong is normal, supernormal science]</ref> these aliens possess aircrafts much faster than the fastest fighter planes in existence.

Both of these paragraphs are backed up numerous sources, many of which come directly from Falun Gong websites. They are the same sources used for many other claims made in this article. They are accurate representations of the power and teachings of Falun Gong. Please do not discriminate agaainst me on the basis of my religion.

Please explain what is wrong with these paragraphs, that they deserve deletion. If you think the sources are inadequate or the claims are irrationaly, then the same argument should apply to most of the rest of the page. --I'm completely NPOV 23:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

haha. I'd like to see the FLG editors reply to this. Colipon+(T) 00:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

be prepair to protect it if you are posting something hinting that the Falun Gong is not about truthful, compassion and tolerance. --Mr.He 00:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]