Talk:Nadi astrology

Research work

I have added the information about the research work that is going on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.101.182 (talk) 06:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

clean up

Could somebody review, or clean up this page, please?

i just know that nadi means `search for' & our great grand rishis wrote all the contents in the leaf which is preserved till now.

may be but now for the earnings sake it is manupulated and mutilated by some illitrates in tamil nadu.

it is believed that the nadi is written by some sages years ego about the future people.

in these days where it is very difficult to maintain a small document for just hundred years - how it can be accepted that the leaves having some kind of scribling - scripture - remained intact has got preserved for each and every human being born and going to be be born in future by some one who claims to tbe the nadi astroleger???? - even though they call it is their secret - looks stupid to believe

It cant be just pushed of like that. I have checked it once. Its seems to be some kind of permutation and combination which has been written down on leaflets. They take your thumb impression and take out an index kind of leaflet and keep asking you vague questions about ur family. all you have to do is reply in YES or NO. at one stage all the facts that the reads out starts matching like your name, dob, mothers name etc. Once it get matched the astrologers go for the main leaflet and start reading out starting from your date of birth,your family detail, what u are doing and why you have come to check this nadi jothish(may be some kind of problem). It seems to be so accurate that it seems like watching the "THE MATRIX" movie. Everything in your life is pre decided,right from your birth to death. All they have to say about your sufferings is because of your wrong deeds in your last birth. You have no way escaping it. You have to go through for what you have done in your last janma (last life). All you can do it is reduce its effect by doing good in this birth.

It has been split in different kandam(arround 10) First they tell in general. after that as per your requirement you can hear about each kandams. Like if you have problemn with marriage,you have one kandam for it. you have a kandam also to know about your previous birth.

Rajesh

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.9.97 (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC) 

this article is correct to its last word

Have you ever been to the Tanjore ? Do not talk anything out-of-the-way unless you know its for sure.

Tanjore is the place where these astrologers maintain the naadi manuscripts. The naadi astrology system as such does not forecast, it just has info. on what the rishi's foresaw. Out of the all the naadi's olai leaves., many of them got destroyed and some got bid and sold during pre-indespendence era. The rest of which is still maintained there.

Believe me, from my personal experience, it is NOT pseudoscientific reading ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Csshyamsundar (talk • contribs) 09:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You need to first know how science works before claiming “ Believe me, from my personal experience, it is NOT pseudoscientific reading” ChandlerMinh (talk) 16:44, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Added OR template to the Power section

I have added an OR template to the power section. There is not a single source to all the claims made in this section.John.Knott (talk) 14:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Check your sources ...

I am doing a PhD on a subject close to the topic of astrology in India. I have done 3 years of extensive fieldwork in Tanjavur's district and around Vaitheeswaran Koil. In Tanjavur, there is no proof of these manuscripts, just ask the curator of the Saraswati Mahal Library ... The archives of the Library didn't mention the existence of these texts for at least two centuries ... The claims of these "pseudo-nadi-astrologers" are totally fake. So, Csshyamsundar, next time you will go to Tanjavur, I advice you to check your textual sources. Vellakaran (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

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find the astrokogy for the name

Pandy Kumar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.138.120.88 (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Manipulation of Wiki

Wikipedia can only contain factual information. It cannot be emphatically stated that the Nadi manuscripts are 2500 years old. Most of the sources quoted are online Nadi astrology sites which are hardly credible.

Gs44631 (talk) 18:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I have personally visited 3 Nadi astrologers and their predictions were totally different. Hence there is no reliability - atleast from the point of view of Wikipedia Standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.165.217.131 (talk) 04:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I am sure most of you would not understand the language of the video, but most of you will understand how the thousands of year old nadi leaves are made by following this link http://scienceversusfaith.blogspot.com/2011/01/nadi-astrology-scam-how-nadi-leaves-are.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.22.139.5 (talk) 05:22, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

"Never propagandize before you research and experience"

I'm a sheer rationalist and have been a big skeptic of all forms of astrology all over the world. But I have been researching on Naadi astrology for the past 9 years, and the findings have been astounding! My research started just to disprove the claims of Pro-Nadi-astrology-people. But one thing which I've learnt after all this is, "Never propagandize/ comment before you research and experience". Don't even be opinionated on anything until you research and 'experience' it yourself. Yes, there are many humbugs and ill money-making astrologers today. But it doesn't mean that the form of astrology (scribed by the Agastiya and other sages) itself is fake. Such a verdict is baseless. It's sad to see Wikipedia having removed almost 90% of the content this article had a few years ago. I believe thorough research would enrich Wikipedia with more facts on Naadi astrology very soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemanththiru (talk • contribs) 23:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

See. just because you claim to have been a “sheer rationalist” and “a big skeptic of all forms of astrology all over the world” doesn’t mean you really are one such person ChandlerMinh (talk) 16:47, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Naadi manuscripts were essentially preserved by Sherfoji King himself!

Also, it's amusing to see some discussions here. Here are certain things to be noted: 1) Naadi manuscripts were essentially preserved by Sherfoji King himself! 2) Carbon dating (1995) of these manuscripts shows the age to be of 300-350 years because these are taken copies by the successive generations once the old palm leaves were worn out (the average life of a well-maintained palm leaf is 300- 400 years) Hope this clarifies things.

Nadi's reality should not be ascertained by Wiki's corroborative reference standards

On the Wiki algorithmic system for corroborative references

It is interesting how proofs of mathematical theorems rely on other theorems that ultimately lead to axiomatic truths, truths which in turn are not objectivistic in nature but agreed upon by a set of individuals thus forming a disciplinary system. Hence, finding factual references for a thing steeped in history, perhaps passed on orally much like the Vedas, is nigh impossible except for utterances found on other websites -- one website leading to another that leads to some other that ultimately relies on a fabled story or fact that can not be proven or referenced any further, much similar to proofs for mathematical theorems leading to axioms! This whole referencing business is, and shall remain to be, a recursive system!

Hence, the stories around Nadi's history -- or legend, as some might like to call it -- may or may not be true. However, this does not disprove what the Nadi system does or does not. It has to be experienced. You can not learn to swim by reading a book, a dip in the water is a must. Most will learn to swim -- some faster/better with some who'd just float -- but a few will drown for sure. Similarly, a Nadi match is not found for everyone who seeks it. It is believed that the facts vary in granular details (swimming analogy: learning to swim better, or just floating) and only the destined shall find it at the fated time (so not all will get to know, that is -- some will drown, as per the swimming analogy). Faezal (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Nadi's distinction: Not predictive astrology

Nadi astrologers do not predict based on your birth chart, which is the traditional way requiring a person's birth time/date/place. They simply decipher what's written on the palm leaves after matching it with your thumb impression! The palm leaves are not originals but duplicates made from the originals and passed on by practitioners of this discipline. Faezal (talk) 21:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

False information

There is a LOT of false information in this article. I am not an expert for Nadi Readers, I just stumbled upon the topic randomly, but even the opening statements that the text are mainly in Tamil and that the Readings are only performed in Tamil Nadu are just wrong. There are lots of Nadi Readers all over India, and most of the texts are in Sanskrit. Also, the information that the leaves are not old, but transcribed again and again to preserve their contents against natural decay (and that the largest library even uses paper as a carrier medium) is clearly lacking, as much of the mysticism around the Readers stems from the belief that they are actually browing through leaves that are thousands of years old and were laying around untouched.

Secondly, the article has quite a narrative style (it uses ... at the end of a sentence!) and contains a lot of beliefs that are stated as facts. From how it sounds, I would guess an Indian wrote it, and it could maybe use a cleanup by a British or American native. (Their style of speech is just different, making it stand out amongst other articles.) (I can't do that, I'm not a native speaker, but I find it much more difficult to read than other English articles.)

--Intelensprotient (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Hoax?

Insufficient "serious" literature sources, and even Wikipedia language variants led me to conclusion that this is hoax. I am not sure that Nadi astrology itself is a hoax, but certainly it is a case for a claim that there are libraries with palm leaf (set) for every visitor, with his personal data and future life milestones :), so I have added a section to the article with more familiar name: Palm-leaf_manuscript#Palm_leaf_library_hoax ([1]). —Mykhal (talk) 14:58, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

There are definitely major problems with this article. It seems to be constituted of a large degree of original research, and lacks references. But the article itself doesn't look to be an intentional attempt to deceive, so I'm going to remove the hoax tag.

NB: if you believe these that the subjects of this article are performing a hoax, that's a distinct issue from the article itself *being* a hoax, which is what the hoax tag flags up. See [Hoaxes versus articles about hoaxes] for more information.Landscape repton (talk) 15:28, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Cleanup

Wait what. This article is written like a advertisement of astrology. History section is a total mess. Citation are from Astrology websites. ChandlerMinh (talk) 16:50, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Sidereal not tropical

This article is a complete mess. Where to start? First of all genuine nadi astrology, like all Vedic astrology uses a sidereal zodiac, not tropical. Hence I removed that statement.

Unfortunately while there are genuine Nadis, there are innumerable forgeries, especially in Videshwarankoil.

I had three readings from genuine Nadis in the 1980s but now it is difficult to find them.

And many modern astrologers use "Nadi" as a buzz word for marketing purposes.van Lustig (talk) 16:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Very interesting

This is a very interesting article, and I'm glad there is at least one in a European language on this topic, namely this one. I yet have to read it in detail, but I can tell you I have met a nadi astrologer 24 years ago (at the age of 19). At first I believed his foretellings, even though they seemed a little strange to me. But soon thereafter I got serious doubts, some things just didn't make sense to me. I confronted him with this on the phone, and he didn't have a good answer. For a while I considered going to another nadi astrologer, but I gave it up, because of doubts and because I didn't have the money for another trip to India anyway. What's for sure is that most of the predictions didn't come true in my life. They have been falsified.