Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taraneh Javanbakht (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete - biography of a living person with very marginable notability there the subject requested deletion Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent and strong demand for immediate deletion of Taraneh Javanbakht

I am absolutely baffled by the appearance of this article that looks like a real vandalism to dis credit wikipedia. This individual is indeed notable for hyperbolic and patently false claims. Example I: Her works are in physics, chemistry, biology, nanotechnology, engineering, cognitive science, philosophy, literature, arts and human rights. Just this line should be enough to delete the article. The sources that are given are Shargh, an obscure newspaper in Farsi; an interview by a Farsi radio, by the name of Zamaneh, and the student and employee page of the website of the Polytechnic of Montreal, which contains the name of all students and employees. It is obvious that numerous small radio stations or low budget newspapers need tabloid kinds of stories like this. Example II:The critics on the works of Taraneh Javanbakht were published by Etemad Melli newspaper,[50][51] Forough magazine[52] Peyvand magazine,[53] Vazna magazine,[54] Roozan newspaper[55][56] and Mardomsalari newspaper.[57] Her biography and works in sciences, philosophy, literature, arts and human rights were published by the media such as Shargh newspaper,[58] Jamejam newspaper,[59] Kayhan newspaper,[60] Etemad newspaper,[61] Hamshahri newspaper,[62] Mehr News Agency,[63] Iranian Students News Agency,[64] Kayhan of London,[65] Gooyanews[66][67] and Radio Zamaneh.[68]. Again, not one of these newspapers are peer-reviewed scientific or philosophy journals. I have checked the papers in a number of scientific journals that Ms. Javanbakht has been part of a team of researchers, for example, Nanoscale surface characterization of biphasic calcium phosphate ... by R França, T Djavanbakht Samani, G Bayade, LH Yahia, E Sacher in Journal of Colloid and Interface Science, or Minimally modified phosphodiester antisense ... by I Brigui, T Djavanbakht Samani, B Jollès, S Pigaglio, and A Laigle in Biochemical pharmacology. None of these researches are of a very significant scientific worth, although they are of some value. I also looked at her articles in "Falsafeh -e now" or New Philosophy Journal a monthly publication by Allameh Tabataba'i University (ATU). After the astonishingly stupid article about her claims to bring metaphysical philosophy methods closer to scientific methods, in which she argues the principle of repetition as a criterion for a selection of the right metaphysical theory against an alternative. Obviously, she has tried to mechanically introduce scientific method into philosophy without understanding or reflection that principle of time series analysis cannot be applied to normative assertions. The paper does not have any references to any other papers except two paper by herself. There are no footnotes. The discussion sounds like a delusional nonsense. After reading the article I was curious to learn more about ATU, which can be found here,http://en.atu.ac.ir/?fkeyid=&siteid=2&pageid=167 and is self explanatory. I urgently demand the deletion of this article. Jasonhaley (talk) 05:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Taraneh Javanbakht

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This person fails WP:BIO and no reliable source in English has pointed her notability. The only online source is this, which is not at all enough for notability. There are tens of people in that list and none has an article in Wikipedia. Professional Assassin (talk) 18:41, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Votes

~~Strong Keep~~ (changed to No consensus until people on both sides of the argument back up their statements with facts.) This article has been nominated for deletion before; the discussion shows a clear consensus to keep. The nominator has not explained what, if anything, has changed since that discussion. In particular, I think the points made in that discussion by Mostafazizi and Alefbe are convincing. Also, looking at the current article, I see a sufficiently-sourced article to establish notability and warrant keeping on its own merits. If the sources are not reliable, they can be challenged, but that's a separate issue. Sources not being in the English language is not a valid grounds for deletion. I also want to point to the article on the Persian/Farsi version of wikipedia: [1]. That article is very extensive and has a large number of sources. I can't read it, but google translator does make it look legit to me: [2] Cazort (talk) 18:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles in other language has been created by the Article's subject, herself. :) The sources in this article also don't show any notability. There are hundreds of thousands of people who have been interviewed by several Iranian newspapers but it doesn't show notability of them. Plus all of her books have been published by her own investment which doesn't bring notability. It is obvious that this person is not a notable poet and all of the Wiki articles in several languages are self generated propaganda to generate notability via Wikipedia, not to reflect her notability in Wikipedia! Everyone can make articles with very poor grammar in several wikis using Google translator or similar tools for him/her-self as this case probably has done.--Professional Assassin (talk) 19:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep She was awarded the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran award and many other important awards. Her books have been criticized in many well-known newspapers and magazines. She has been interviewed at CJNT-TV in Canada, in Jamejam newspaper, Radio Zamaneh and many other famous media around the world. The interviews in a Canadian television and other famous media and critics on her works in various magazines are strong reasons of her notability. Zohairani (talk) 20:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The award was a minor award and doesn't bring notability. I know at least hundreds of people with such awards. Critics' review of her works are something more than negative and being reviewed by some critics is because of her extreme self promoting, propaganda-like behavior to show her notability. I can translate some critics' review in English if you like. If writing extreme nonsense as poem makes someone notable then we will have thousands of notable poets in Wikipedia.--Professional Assassin (talk) 21:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point to people talking about her self-promoting activity as your describe? Cazort (talk) 19:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete Not notable. Some self-published books in Iran, books that publishing costs were paid by the author and published by small and unknown publishers, one minor award which can be granted if not to thousands at least to hundreds, no reliable English source on this subject, if an professional Iranian critic reviews her poems, it is merely to show her self promotion, and propaganda-like behavior and not because of her notability; honestly none of these makes somebody notable-WIMYV? (talk) 16:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you demonstrate (instead of merely asserting) that the books mentioned are all self-published? Cazort (talk) 19:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For example, the most famous critic of Iran once wrote a critism to demonstrate the self-promotion and propaganda-like behavior of Javanbakht. One of his argues was that all of Javanbakht;s work are self-published and Javanbakht is not a notable poets. Of course with a little knowledge about the publishing industry in Iran, you know that Javanbakht's books are self published book--WIMYV? (talk) 00:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These still read as assertions to me. The "most famous critics"--who? Can you cite this work? And..."with a little knowledge about the publishing industry in Iran"...well, can you show this in a way that? This discussion has gotten so far out of hand that I think any remarks not backed up my specific citations should be completely ignored. Cazort (talk) 13:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The name of critic is Mehdi Atefrad. in his article he wrote on quality of Javanbakht's work and her self-publish books: "if everybody has money like Mrs. Javanbakht to publish her books by her own expenses, any 5th grade school boy could publish a poetry book at the level of Taraneh Javanbakht's work". I have the critic's article. If you like I can email a copy of the article to you. Just email me (Do you read Persian?).--WIMYV? (talk) 15:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does not meet the requirements of WP:notability. --Kurdo777 (talk) 13:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article appears to be well-referenced and shows more indications of notability than many others in Wikipedia. The claims of self-publication and the statement that the prize is of low value, are just that unsupported statements and claims. Dabbler (talk) 17:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete She isnt notable also sources of article arent dependable.Gire 3pich2005 (talk) 18:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(This user is an established user in fa.wiki)--WIMYV? (talk) 02:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My contributions in Fa_wiki Gire 3pich2005 (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. What being active in Fa-Wiki has to do with voting in En-Wiki? If someone is active or established in other wikis, Facebook, My Space, Yahoo etc... is in no worth in English Wikipedia. By the way if you have evidences against or in favor of notability of this article's subject, present them and stop bringing non-related material to this debate. Administrators do not COUNT the votes to see if consensus has reached or not.--Professional Assassin (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article was nominated for AfD on the Persian Wikipedia and the outcome there was keep and cleanup, although there appears to be a great deal of contention/disagreement there: [3]. Cazort (talk) 19:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment User:Gire 3pich2005's claim is not true. Although the most famous magazines and newspapers in Iran, in which the critics on her works were published, have been banned by the Iranian government, but some of these critics are findable in her website:

As User:Cazort said, using google translator can solve the problem for the non english sources of the article. Her books have been published by famous publishers in Iran. As User:Dabbler said, the unacceptable statements that she is self-publishing or the awards she obtained are of low value are just unsupported claims. The sources of the article confirm her notability. Zohairani (talk) 21:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It would help if you could demonstrate, and not merely assert, that these are published by "famous publishers" in Iran. Right now, the article doesn't even have the name of a publisher. A name of a publisher and a website would help. Also, do you have anything that can provide establish the notability of the awards presented? Otherwise we are just talking past each other. In the absence of additional information, I would be inclined to keep this page (on the basis of the past AfD and the AfD on the persian wikipedia) but I am changing my recommendation to no consensus until we can back up these comments with more facts or information, and I could be swayed either way. An AfD discussion is not a vote. I would also request all participants to address the points made rather than just stating an opinion and making additional unfounded assertions. Cazort (talk) 00:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Admins in fa.wiki deleted the article many times. This article deleted 3 times by AFD. The problem is that the article was re-created. This is widely believed in fa.wiki that they are sock-puppet and meatpuppet of Taraneh Javanbakht (You can ask admins in fa.wiki)WIMYV? (talk) 03:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not seeing the evidence, looking at the edit history in fa.wiki, that this article was deleted three times. I only see a single AfD, and the outcome of it, although contentious, seems to point towards a consensus to improve, rather than delete the article. Please show the history of deletion or these prior AfD's that you mention. Cazort (talk) 13:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Checkuser was requested here by a Wikipedian and it can be repeated as many times as any other user resquests. The problem is not checkuser, but is that Behzad Bodarres, Gire 3pich2005 and Professional Assassin have have never been punished for having insulted me in fawiki. Javanbakht (talk) 12:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete Not notable. I made little research and found no serious oraganizatins of poets/writers/artists in Iran who do take her work seriously. Xashaiar (talk) 13:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete The article in fawiki is against Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and includes some insults added by Users Behzad Modarres and Gire 3pich2005. It is really ridiculous that Behzad Modares and other insulters still insult me in their recent edits here in the article on my name in fawiki, and come back in the english Wikipedia to define personal attack! Despite the previous consensus on my notability, the insulters should convince the Wikipedians to delete the article in fawiki. I will be agree to keep the article in Wikipedia only if the insults added recently by Users Behzad Modarres and Gire 3pich2005 to the article in fawiki are deleted. According to the well-known sources of the article :

The book published by Atomic Energy Organization of Iran in 1993 about my award,
Reports published by the scientific institutions of France and Canada about my awards,
Other sources about my other awards,
Critics published on my works in the most famous Iranian media, such as Etemaad melli newspaper, Mardomsalari newspaper, Roozan newspaper, ...
Interviews with me in the famous media such as CJNT-TV, Radio Zamaneh, Jamejam newspaper, Mehrnews, ...
News on my books in the most Iranian famous newspapers such as Kayhan newspaper, Shargh newspaper, Roozan newspaper, Hamshahri newspaper, ...

which all have been cited in the article, the miserable are the persons who can not convince the Wikipedians in fawiki on my non-notability! Javanbakht (talk) 23:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete not notable. Neither as a scientist nor an artist or author. All the publications are self-published. Adler (talk) 11:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete Self published sources and autobiographies in unreliable sources do not make a person notable. warrior 4321 11:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete...(God helps me because I know that there will be a great hostility in Persian Wiki against me! ) , but anyway although I do think she is a very notable and respectable person in daily life , but does not needs a page in Wikipedia . We Wikipedians may not use this encyclopedia as tool for gaining fame . In this case , yes she is a very special person that I'm so proud of her , but her name can't be an introduction in an encyclopedia.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 07:46, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Demand to delete the article in Wikipedia

I demand to delete the article forever, because of being insulted so many times in fawiki and accused with false claims. Checkuser has been done before on my account, and I don't mind the false informations on me that have been claimed by Two of fawiki users, Gire 3pich2005 and User:WIMYV (User:Behzad Modarres) to make other users change their votes on the article.

I have all the human rights to defend myself against insults which can not be supported by anybody else, unless the persons who like bothering others. User:WIMYV (User:Behzad Modarres) and User Gire 3pich2005 have insulted me in fawiki many times. Gire 3pich2005 insulted me here and because I defended myself, User:Behzad Modarres blocked my user account in fawiki. The Two users Behzaad, who deleted User Gire 3pich2005's insults here, and Sicaspi protested, but one of them was blocked and the protests of the second one here in my talk page were never answered by Behzad Modarres.

Then User:Behzad Modarres and User:Gire 3pich2005 edited the article in fawiki and added some insults to it. In order to help you understand better the situation, I translate some of their edits in fawiki:

Somebody published an insulting text in his personal weblog (Ding Dang), which has been used by User:Behzad Modarres and User:Gire 3pich2005 in the article in fawiki. This person in his blog has insulted me with this statement: "Taraneh Javanbakht deliriums and makes wry mouth to her readers." User:Behzad Modarres and User:Gire 3pich2005 have not only linked to these insults in the article, but have also added some other statements to the article, never even told by the insulting person. They have edited in the fawiki article that I have opposite personalities and the critics this person published in his weblog are to search my opposite mental state in my poems! Mehdi Atefrad is the only person who insulted me and instead of writing on my poems, he wrote on my personality! All the other critics on my works are about my works, not myself. User:Behzad Modarres and User:Gire 3pich2005 insist to add Atefrad's insulting statements in the article. All these insults that these two users have edited in the fawiki article are against Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Javanbakht (talk) 05:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1- Subjects of articles can not DEMAND any change to be made in their articles, including deleting them. If the evidences show that this article's subject is not notable then it will be deleted by an administrator. So please do not try to appear innocent.

2- With this poor grammar in English language which is claimed by you that it is your second language, how could you be able to write poems in seven languages?!! Quite frankly, do you really consider yourself a poet i.e. in German language?

3- I really admire your enormous amount of self-confidence. :)) --Professional Assassin (talk) 11:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Demand to apply justice for all of the Wikipedians

"With this poor grammar in English language which is claimed by you, how could you be able to write poems in seven languages?!!", this is what User:Professional Assassin has written to me. Justice should be for all the Wikipedians.Behzad Modarres blocked my account in fawiki. According to his claim here, the reason of blocking my account was that I told User:Gire 3pich2005 could not understand my editions in science or philosophy in Wikipedia. This statement did not merit any punishment because somebody who has neither worked nor edited in science or philosophy can not understand articles in these domains. When Modarres has blocked my account in fawiki for such a poor argument, why User:Professional Assassin, whose meatpuppets have been blocked by User:Mardetanha in fawiki, can still insult me? Javanbakht (talk) 12:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fa.wiki has nothing to do with here. If you have problem with P.S. edits, go and inform admins in ANI. BTW, admins blocked you in fa.wiki because of meatpupetry and because you continuously violate WP:Civil. --WIMYV? (talk) 13:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your claims are not true. Meatpupetry, which has not been proven, is not the reason of blocking my account. Users Behzaad and Sicapsy protested in fawiki, but you did not prove your claim and even blocked somebody else in fawiki whose IP is not related to me. You are responsable for all the insuting statements that you have added to the article in fawiki. Javanbakht (talk) 13:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This debate is not a place to discuss what has happened or still is happening in Fa-Wiki. All the participants should ONLY talk about the notability of the article's subject!--Professional Assassin (talk) 13:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't need the article in Wikipedia and notability does not mean that if an article does not exist in Wikipedia, the article's subject is not notable. I demand to delete the article, besause when these users saw that they can not delete it in fawiki, the began to add insulting statements about me to the article. Javanbakht (talk) 13:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again, what you want or don't want is not important here. You can not demand anything. Show evidence that the article's subject is notable and the article will remain in Wikipedia, otherwise it will be deleted.--Professional Assassin (talk) 13:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:Mrs javanbakht! Why you continually humiliaty me? You repetitve this sentence more and more:I told User:Gire 3pich2005 could not understand my editions in science or philosophy in Wikipedia.

Enjoy It?

This sentence has been your colloquialism when you talk about me. how many Link do you want?

BUT! I am not here for dispute. I come here to edit my opinions about this article. this is my argument to delete this article:

Self-published books, no reliable source in English, article that main contributors are closely related to Taraneh Javanbakht (WP:COI). Big self-claims do not make somebody notable. Do you believe it? On your website YOU called YOURSELF philosopher, Scientist in Physics Chemistry, biochemistry, also poet, writer, Script writer, painter, composer,...! You claimed that you say poems in 7 language! Some small media have been fooled once and interviewed her to see who this exceptional person is. But, all the times they never come back again! Because they realize that all those claims are empty claims. Now, it is time for Wikipedia to wake up! Self-claims do not bring notability!Gire 3pich2005 (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are still sleeping, because you have not understood that my notability does depend neither on Wikipedia nor on your false claims. You, who can not even read your mother tongue honestly, are not a reliable person to talk on my books!! Media have not covered critics, news, interviews on my works?!!! Neither on my poems in 7 languages?!!! You are sleeping, because you can not even read or hear your mother tongue in these links:

Where have you learned Farsi? In China?!! With this Chinese language that you (Gire 3pich2005), Behzad Modarres, Professional Assassin and Atefrad: the researcher of my personality, as he has claimed in his weblog, have learned in Iran! it is obvious that you can not see my editions in 7 languages! The above links are not medias, but cookies!!! Delete all the articles in Wikipedia about me and be happy, but never forget that whatever exists, exists even if you lose your honesty to deny it!!! Javanbakht (talk) 00:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember to be civil. You have violated WP:NPA multiple times. Please also see WP:COI. warrior 4321 03:10, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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