Talk:Timnit Gebru/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Firefangledfeathers (talk · contribs) 14:58, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@SquareInARoundHole: I'm reviewing this as part of the ongoing backlog drive. I should have the first part of the review up for you in the next 24 hours. Thank you for your work on this immediately interesting article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:58, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Cheers! I am working on addressing your feedback. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 10:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

An unfortunate conflict just lost me an hour of work on addressing feedback, I'll come back again later. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

So sorry! I've never had it quite that bad but I know the feeling. When you do come back, could you please interpolate your responses into my feedback. Just "done" is fine if that's all there is to say. Meant to say that earlier. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

GA notes

• Lead
  • Why is the Bloomberg source used inline for "American" in the lead? Is there some oblique way it verifies the descriptor? Done.
  • "is the founder of the Distributed Artificial Intelligence Research Institute" Done.
  • Either the DAIR content on the body needs expansion or it's given too lengthy a treatment in the lead. Probably just "She is the founder of Distributed Artificial Intelligence Research Institute (DAIR)" would be enough. Done.
  • Closer to source: "World's 50 Greatest Leaders" Done.
  • The controversy surrounding her exit from Google is a major aspect of her biography and is rightly given lengthy coverage in the body. As it stands, the controversy is given a disproportionately large amount of explanation in the lead. The best solution for this is probably to expand other parts of the lead, which could do more to summarize other parts of the article. I also think a trim of the controversy content would be an improvement (are all the paper's details required?). Partially done.
• Early life
  • Can the Forbes source be replaced? See WP:FORBESCON. Done.
  • Does any source besides Forbes mention her father's electrical engineering work and PhD? If so, might be due for a short mention here. Done.
  • Please expand on why her family needed political asylum. Done.
  • The bit about her high school experience and police encounter is uncomfortably close paraphrase of the Time source. It might help to incorporate information from other sources that mention that time in her life. (e.g. Wired)
  • I don't think the MIT Tech Review source supports her getting her dissertation in 2017, unless it's in the video (which is not available via the archive url).
  • Please mention that Fei-Fei Li advised Gebru during her PhD program and provide a source, needed to support the infobox mention. Done.
  • "an encounter Gebru experienced with the police" → "an encounter with the police" or "an experience" Done.
  • "accepted to study at Stanford University" → "accepted at Stanford University" Done.
  • Is there a secondary source for her LDV Capital win?
  • What does "the demographics" mean in "experiences with the police, the demographics"?
• Apple
  • Wired doesn't verify her Apple internship being in 2004 (though it's a reasonable guess). "While at Stanford" would be fine if no source gives the year.
  • First sentence could use a rewrite or a split in two.
  • Though her interest in computer vision started during her tenure at Apple, the cited Wired source places the origin of this interest in her classes at Stanford. Unless another source interprets it differently, this content should probably be moved to Early life and education. If kept here, the bit about signal processing algorithms should be moved from the middle of it, as the current language makes it seem like "she did not consider the potential use for surveillance" is referring to signal processing, as opposed to computer vision.
  • The second paragraph's first sentence could use a rewrite or a split in two.
  • The WaPo source supports that Gebru spoke with Scarlett but "consulted with" is a stretch. Added another source.
  • Please cite the Verge source right at the end of the sentence with the quotes. Done.

Stopping for now. Will resume at §2013–2017. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• 2013–2017
  • Unclear who "She" is in sentence 2.
  • Early first paragraph is a bit choppy.
  • I'm fairly sure Selfpreneur is not a reliable source. Can it be replaced? It's used here and in Early life.
  • Is coverage by Newsweek mentioned in The Economist? That's the only one of the three cited sources I can't access, and the other two don't mention Newsweek. My preferred solution (mentioned below as an optional comment) is to remove or rework this sentence entirely. Next best is dropping the Newsweek mention (no consensus on reliability), followed by adding a source that verifies it.
  • Please name "the field"
  • "When she attended again the following year, she ...": all following commas in this sentence should be removed
  • "Summer of 2017" is unclear per MOS:SEASON but the sources aren't more specific. How about "after receiving her doctorate in 2017"?
  • Does the FAT conference proceeding source actually verify the interview question quote and response? I found a version of it through WP:TWL but it doesn't include the quote
  • Some organizational issues are becoming increasingly clear by this point. Content that is seemingly arbitrarily split between this section and §Early life: her work with Fei-Fei Li, her sexual harassment experience at NIPS, and her concern about racism in AI. There are many ways you could fix this; my first thought is to move all the substantive stuff into this section and give it a name like "Work at Stanford and Microsoft (2013–2017)".

Stopping here for now. I also added one new comment to the Early life section above. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• Google
• Exit from Google
• Post-Google
• 2021–present
• Awards

Non-GA notes (optional)

• Overall
  • I made a MOS:RACECAPS fix that you might like to double check
  • Please review for MOS:LQ punctuation fixes
  • Please review for MOS:N'T fixes
  • Please review for MOS:ENGVAR and tag with one of the "Use X English" templates (seems like American English is the most established right now)
  • Please review for MOS:DOC fixes
• Lead
  • I think "Computer science" can be in sentence case
• Early life
  • Please add ref details to the widsconference.org citation
  • "Doctorate" is fine for the article text but the link should go to Doctor of Philosophy
  • Author parameters should be removed from the Tadias Magazine source
  • This use of "scathed" comes off as poetic or archaic

Stopping for now. Need to review §Apple for minor stuff. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

• Apple
  • I think the tense works out such that the "[d]" is not needed in her "spotlight" quote
• 2013–2017
  • "neighbourhood" → "neighborhood" (see note above about ENGVAR)
  • If Fei-Fei Li is linked in Early life (see note above), please remove the link here
  • I prefer not to include content like "extensively covered in the media". If the sources have something novel and important to say, we should summarize that. If there's a reliable source commenting specifically on the widespread nature of the coverage, I'd cite that specifically.
  • "Black in AI" doesn't need italics but should be linked

Stopping here for now. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)