Talk:AFI (band)

Genre

General

We're on the brink of edit wars here with respect to genre, so let's get all the arguing out of the way here. We've had various edits and reverts labelling AFI as punk, punk rock, hardcore, hardcore punk. I think there's definite reason to mention a gothic influence encompassing all hallows to the art of drowning, too. -- Jon Dowland 08:27, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

There ya' go! Gothic music is practically defined by horror imagery and themes (though I don't mean to downplay it's other attributes and structural differences from punk). AFI has DEFINATELY had horror themes and imagery as a mainstay since All Hallows (at least). You simply can't deny the influence. - Enzo Dragon 10:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Gothic Rock/Death Rock spawned from the Punk scene. AFI are really neither though. JanderVK

To whoever wrote the new genre sentence: Good save. Afee 22:01, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Yep, definately can't be labelled as hardcore, maybe gothic/punk? Musically wise they seem to have a punkish sound, but lyrically definately goth 222.154.66.70 07:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

AFI started as a hardcore punk band, and those roots echo in their music right up to Decemberunderground (best example is Kill Caustic). AFI themselves have confirmed this. Therefor, the hardcore label stays. - Enzo Dragon 17:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the genres listed now are OK. Though people need to stop adding emo. Dwnsjane2

They started as punk/harcore, then expanded their sound, most notably incorporating elements of gothic rock. I have no idea where the emo tag comes from; in fact i've never heard anyoe outside of Wikipedia call them emo. The current genre terms (alternative, punk, hardcore) are fine by me. WesleyDodds 01:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Though AFI seem to have dropped the horror imagery for the most part, they've turned around and picked up some cyber-goth tricks. Best example is 37mm. - Enzo Dragon 13:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I think goth/punk is fine I guess.-Leandreamo

Whoever wrote the new label is wrong. AFI isn't emo. Their myspace (yes I'm a myspacer) labels them as rock/rock/rock. I think they should be labeled as rock or gothic rock, because they definitely aren't emo. No offense to emos, but labeling AFI as emo is an insult to AFI.

The term "emo" is PURELY a market-based term now, anyway. AFI is listed under their label as punk/alternative rock. Their myspace claims they are rock. MTV (though I hate to cite them) refers to them as punk rock. The only people claiming they are emo are misinformed, worthless magazines that have little or no understanding of what the tag "emo" refers to. Enzo Dragon 10:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Except they are not gothic rock.

Havok is influenced by some Gothic rock groups, but that doesn't make AFI themselves part of that genre, Alternative will do. - Deathrocker 01:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I re-added the meniton of emo elements on some tracks, with a citation to People magazine. Fullquote: "AFI (which stands for A Fire Inside) also incorporates elements of emo on cuts like "Summer Shudder," showing they are a band for all seasons." Please do not delete cited material. -- JHunterJ 11:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

One of the reasons your addition continues to be removed is that it is presented as fact. Perhaps if you were to present it as quoted opinion, not as many people would remove it. - Enzo Dragon 22:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

It is presented as fact in the cited article. (Please use ~~~~ to sign your talk page comments.) -- JHunterJ 11:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Yet, the article you are citing is, itself, a collection of the writer's opinions on AFI, not neccessarily facts. Such writing style is fine for magazines like "People", but Wikipedia is not a magazine. It is an encyclopedia, and so the content is expected to be fact, and not just some person's opinion. If you're going to make claims that AFI incorporates elements of "emo" and treat it as fact in an encyclopedia article, you'd better have a citation better than a magazine based around opinion. I think for such an accusation to be made and treated as fact, you'd need to be able to cite the band itself. - Enzo Dragon 12:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC) Stop signing my posts for me, kid.

Classifying music into genres is inherently a matter of opinion anyway, since the classifications are just agreements between listeners. "AFI is rock" is opinion, at its core. If you're going to deny the cited claim, the burden is on you to find a "better" citation. (Citing the band itself is still citing an opinion: the band members' opinion.) -- JHunterJ 11:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha. "Better citation". Who's opinion does "better" need to agree with? Still, I think although genre is somewhat based upon opinion, there is a largely technical side to defining musical genre. - Enzo Dragon 10:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, let's start with "any" citation. I only put "better" in quotes because you appear to disdain the People magazine cite. Or cite the technical definition of emo that the tracks can be objectively compared to. -- JHunterJ

I'll get right on that, then. - Enzo Dragon 13:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I suppose I can't delete because the emo note because it is sourced. As long as that mention doesn't justifly the genre being changed to emo or emo being added as a genre. Because obviously the term emo should only be applied to the emotional hardcore bands (Rites Of Spring, Moss Icon etc.) and the post-/indie emo that were influnced by them (Sunny Day Real Estate, Get Up Kids etc.). Dwnsjane2 23:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm also hopeful that having a note that some songs have emo elements will help ward off editors who would otherwise add it as a genre. -- JHunterJ 23:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I will only be okay with an emo label if the band members themselves would confirm it. Otherwise they're alternative rock. There's a dozen labels that could be attributed to this band, since their music is somewhat unique in comparison to other bands of the same "alternative" genre. Remember, because they have a song called "Endlessly, She Said" doesn't qualify an Emo label. Remember, Evanescence got the Christian label with their song "Tourniquet" because of the lyrics. So in the mean time, I think it would be best to keep the genre as Rock or Alternative. And I agree, it may be okay to add that some songs have emo elements, in addition to gothic and punk. --Prezboy1 16:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Why should AFI be classified as gothic. The only reason one would classify them as that genre, if can even call it a genre, is because of the way they, or should I say the way Davey looks.--Ahlymel 01:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Though I wouldn't go as far as to say that AFI is "gothic rock", they have noted bands of both the post-punk and gothic persuation as influences, and every album since Shut Your Mouth has had a tint of trad goth in it, whether it be in the sound or imagery they use in their songs. Enzo Dragon 10:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

AFI shouldn't be classified as gothic. I was just pointing out that while some elements of different songs have been called "emo", there are just as many songs that could be classified as having gothic undertones. As I said before, AFI is either Alternative or Punk... and until the band members classify their genre as something else then I believe it is okay to change it. --Prezboy1 20:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You will find that Emo is to represent the amount of emotion in the lyrics. AFI meets the criteria.

There's a lot of emotion in a lot of different bands lyrics, doesn't make them "Emo". Give me a break. As for Gothic Rock, yes Davey has been influenced by a few trad Goth bands, but doesn't make the band Gothic Rock at all. Their latest release has Rhonan Harris (SP?) of VNV Nation doing samples, but that doesn't make them FuturePop. I see more elements of Industrial/EBM (in their latest stuff) than Gothic Rock in any of their stuff. JanderVK

Totally agreed. AFI has been leaning into Industrial since Sing the Sorrow, and it's stronger on Decemberunderground, though I wouldn't list it as a genre as of right now. Enzo Dragon 21:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd say A Fire Inside was/is/has been an emocore (REAL emocore, not the MTVfriendly pop rock bands that whore themselves as being emo), punk, gothic hardcore and alternative band. First 2 albums are definitely emocore/emocore-influenced punk. The next 3 are more gothic-influenced punk/alternative/rock. Sing the Sorrow a Gothic Hardcore/Alternative album. And finally DecemberUnderground a Modern Rock/Alternative Pop/Gothic album.

Gothic Embrace 22:15 (GMT +1) 27th October 2006

A Fire Inside is definitely NOT Hardcore Punk present day. So I edited it a bit.

Gothic Embrace 21:27 (GMT +1) 29th October 2006

The state of the term "Emo" is a joke. Bands acredited to supposedly have started Emotive (Fugazi, Rites of Spring) have at one time or another openly admitted that they had done nothing but write punk rock, and often wonder why they had been put under a new genre.

At any rate, until you started abusing the edit feature, the genre section had genrely settled. It is in wide concurance that AFI is now Alternative Rock, and AFI themselves only state Rock as their genre (take a look at their myspace). The song Kill Caustic, and, to a lesser extent, Affliction, are both "Hardcore Punk" songs. Davey has stated this (read pre-release interviews), and the music itself reflects the stylings of hardcore punk music.

I strongly suggest you refrain from kicking this silly little edit-war farther - the changes will continue to be reverted by everyone else. Enzo Dragon 21:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Haha. Whatever. Calling those songs hardcore punk is wrong and misleading. But alright. I've already heard of the band, so I won't be checking into wikipedia to find info about it. And I am aware of the bands starting the emocore scene opposes the tag "emo". They are still considered the founders of the genré. Gothic Embrace 14:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

They are not hardcore punk songs. However Hardcore Punk Should remain in the infobox because the band has played hardcore punk and still has some hardcore influences in even their more recent work. Though little, they have not completly abandoned the genre.

And they started the emocore scene? Read the article on emo.Dwnsjane2 00:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa I have no idea how they could be labeled "hardcore punk". Is it because he screams every so often and they use a faster beat in some songs? Labeling them as such is an insult to Black Flag, Bad Brains, Gorilla Biscuits and the like. "Hardcore" and "Hardcore Punk" is much more than just a different way to play your instruments or sing.

No it is not. Their first few albums were hardcore punk. Dwnsjane2 23:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

"Their _first_ few albums were hardcore punk". Which again means: labelling them as a present hardcore act is incorrect. Look at the Black Flag article, it doesn't say that they're a hardcore punk band, now does it? And besides: their first albums sounded way more old skool emocore than hardcore. Gothic Embrace 14:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, their first few albums were hardcore punk. The hardcore influence however is still somewhat present. Therefore it should remain in the infobox. Dwnsjane2 02:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

They are gothic and horror punk influenced... should "gothic rock" or "horror punk" be added to the genrélist? Gothic Embrace 11:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

"Whoa whoa whoa I have no idea how they could be labeled 'hardcore punk'. Is it because he screams every so often and they use a faster beat in some songs? Labeling them as such is an insult to Black Flag, Bad Brains, Gorilla Biscuits and the like. "Hardcore" and "Hardcore Punk" is much more than just a different way to play your instruments or sing." Obviously, this person has never heard past albums.

They have changed their genre throughout their career. right now it is emo, and in the past it has been all of the above mentioned genres. →(unsigned)

I swear, Davey gets a hair cut and all of the sudden they are tagged as "emo", which I completely don't understand since ALL music is emotional →(unsigned)

I don't know who put "Cold wave" in the genre section, but I think it should be removed because right now, it links to a weather page. Lizzysama 21:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

AFI have certainly been a hardcore punk band since they formed, and the hardcore sound is evident right up to DU. But i think that some songs on "The Art of Drowning" and much of "Sing the Sorrow" would be best classified as melodic hardcore. Listen to Dancing through SUnday.

Ok, this is my take on things, and take it from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. AFI started out as a hardcore punk revival band. With All Hallows and The Art of Drowning they were still punk, but they were now starting to lean towards emo with gothic influence. With Sing the Sorrow, the completely became an emo band. The lyrics reflect emo lyrics and their musical style blends melodic vocals with screaming, as emo is apt to do sometimes. Granted there is significant hardcore influence, most notably in the speed of the songs, but it is still emo. With DU, they became even further emo, incorporating elements of New Wave in to their music. That is simply what they are. I have changed some of the article at the beginning to reflect this, but I haven't touched most of the latter portions of the article. I am a fan of AFI, and use the term emo as a completely objective term, not the derogative term it has become in recent years. Emo is simply what they are. Sing the Sorrow is easily one of my favorite albums of all time (though DU is one of my least favorite). →(unsigned)

^emo as a term is a load of bullshit. sorry, it just has to be said. you just can't use emo as a description, it's a derogatory term to describe certain genres of rock which its detractors don't like and to describe the people that like it. if you're referring to the original emotional hardcore, call it emotional hardcore and P!ATD/AFI/Paramore/Aiden style emo isn't real emo anyway. i hate all this stuff with genres anyway, afi were right to put "rock/rock/rock" down on their myspace profile, afi's music is unclassifiable, you may as well list "Various incarnations of AFI style punk depending on where davey, jade, adam and hunter want to take their music" as its genre. --Gpmuscillo 22:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Their genre has become a mix of elements from hardcore punk and alternaive rock.They are NOT emo.Xr 1 20:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hm-hm! I think it's so cute to see you guys argue like this. AFI has no genre. Davey has said this many times before. I don't recall them ever saying they were emo, emocore, punk, hardcore punk, or alternative. I really think that we should just classify them as rock or, at the very least, punk/alternative rock. Honestly, AFI fans should remember all the insances in which not just Davey, but even the others, have stated that they do not belive in classifing their music in a genre. They really do not want a label. So don't give them one. They have NO GENRE. Sorry if I sounded at all like a bitch at any time during my rant. I just really like AFI. Floramage! 17:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

AFI Has specifically stated that their music is not emo. They said if you had to give it a genre, give it rock. AFI's new music from Decemberunderground can be comparable to stuff from Depeche Mode, NIN, The Smiths, U2, none of these bands are emo. Therefore Rock fits the best genre. Plus EMO Music needs the music style and the lyrics, though AFI's lyrics are darker than normal, they are certainly not very emo. 142.161.32.96 17:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)Corey

OK.The Genre paragraph I create was non encyclopedic and unsourced.But I've read all the discussions here and in other places and wrote what people think.And I think there should be 'Genre' section about their genre in the article because their music is complex and is mix of many styles.I think in the article should be mention that.:) Also I know people who think AFI have never been hardcore punk or punk. Xr 1 13:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Emo?

Not to be opinionated, but I really don't think AFI is EMO either. They are just ROCK. (1/14/07)

What the hell how come it says that AFI is a emo band???? And it even says that in the beginning they formed an Emo band??? Now i dont know that much about AFI but i know that they are not emo and never were. Any body with the Danzig haircut is deffinetly punk and not emo. Im not going to change it but some one please do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Keioffice (talk • contribs) 09:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

What about Aiden? They're not punk, and the singer of Lamb Of God had one, not punk either. --Diabolical 19:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Ollie 16:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll agree that whoever said they started as emo knew not what they were talking about. But everything from Sing the Sorrow-present is emo.

I don't think sing the sorrow is emo, it's darker than the other albums, but not emo. Decemberunderground is definitely emo. --Dexter prog 22:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This argument is stupid. Modern day "emo" is such a broad tern that it ceases to exist. The term emo should remain used exclusively for bands that actually fit the only definite definition of the genre. Dwnsjane2 04:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Such as AFI. "Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria, Death Cab for Cutie, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath.[8] The classification of bands as "emo" is often controversial. Fans of several of the listed bands have recoiled at the use of the "emo" tag, and have gone to great lengths to explain why they don't qualify as "emo". In many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarites, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre. (The revulsion of some bands from the term emo is not unlike the retreat from the genre by the bands in the indie emo scene near the end of the 90s.)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emocore#The_third_wave_.282000-present.29

Emo= Emotional Harcore. AFI has almost lost all of its hardcore roots and gone more emotionall and close to pop (even Davey stated decemberunderground has a "cold pop" sound), so Emcore suits them perfectly.

--Dexter prog 04:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Emocore is Emotional Hardcore, both are shortened to Emo, therefore it is not more suitable it's the same thing anyway AFI are not Emo, no matter which order the words are. Diabolical 01:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Show sources or something to back up you opinion, afi fits perfectly the "emocore" genre. --Dexter prog 01:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[1] note it says "But AFI..." I would advise you to read the Emo entry. AFI's lyrics are not emotional either. --Diabolical 19:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

So "love like winter", "miss murder" and the rest of "decemberunderground" are not emotional lyrics?, come on... --Dexter prog 19:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

If "emotional lyrics" are the sole qualifier of the genre, than IRON MAIDEN are "emo". Think about that. - Enzo Dragon 20:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

What's the lyrics to Miss Murder got in common with lyrics by other Emo bands? Absolutely nothing. Even if they are the most emotional lyrics ever that still doesn't make them Emo/Emocore/Emotional Hardcore. Even Death Metal bands like Death are emotional. I still recommend you read the Emo wikipedia entry. Diabolical 22:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Having "emotional" lyrics doesn't mean a band plays emocore. I suggest you leave genres to more experienced exitors Dexter, you seem to be adding incorrect genres to numerous articles. - Deathrocker 17:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

--Migospia 8:30, 12 Febuary 2007 (Central) - AFI's Decemberunderground is very emo there other stuff is not you should add the emo music category because then you are just denying this. You can keep the others because they were punk rock and hardcore punk an alternative there new stuff is NOT

I beg to differ. Although their music and lyrics sound emotional, I highly doubt that the band would agree with you on labeling them as "emo". They have already stated that they are ROCK, not EMO. Really, listen or read one of their interviews and you'll see that they have never stated that they were emo, only rock. Besides, what does it matter when the band members are both sexy AND talented? Floramage! 16:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

most definitely not emo. yeah, sure, even though more often then not emo is deregatory, it kind of is if you call AFI emo. they do mention suicide and dark, macabre details but don't make droning ballads about lost love and ending life. isn't it enough that they were insulted when they were told that they were considered so, and denied it? LollyLo 04:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop kidding yourself they are the definition of emo

They have NEVER been Emo.They have never been true emo, they have NEVER been MTV Poseous Emo.They have no connection with Emo! They are punk/alternative band.Although they often are said to be emo...

Gothic? Horrorpunk? Deathrock?

omg... talk about COMPLETELY WRONG LABELS!!!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.238.126.206 (talk) 04:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

Well here is one example - read the lyrics of The Days Of The phoenix and then say if there isn't horror elements.

Yeah because writing one song with 'horror' lyrics makes a band that genre... Diabolical 01:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I gave this example.It's not the only one.In their middle stuff they have many how to say dark lyrics.Just read it. →(unsigned)

Deathrock

Do you think the genre should be included in the article to describe them?I think yes, bacause in the paragraph about their middle stuff it's mention about deathrock.Also many of their songs are with 'dark' lyrics and they have some gothic influences.And deathrock is between punk and gothic. Let's discus if it's right :] Xr 1 08:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you probably shouldn't have started a new "topic" about this, but that's beside the point...

AFI is not Death Rock. "Deathrock" is NOT simply "between punk and goth". Deathrock describes a certain brand of goth rock, more specifically goth rock from the second wave (in retrospect). It's simply incorrect to say that AFI is a deathrock band - they are neither of the sound or of the era! - Enzo Dragon 09:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

"Normal" Rock?

Just so that everyone can get their stories straight AFI is not emo also the are not any type or variation of punk but the only reason I'm typing this is because this hardcore AFI fan keeps tying to tell me their just normal rock

I don't agree.They're not 'Normal' rock.Do you find any similarity between AFI and Queen/Rainbow/Guns N'Roses/Bon Jovi?No of course.Xr 1 07:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Genre edit-warring

This has to stop. Certain parties are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. Please stick to consenus (which, as I understand it, is currently that Emo and variants do not belong in the genre section) and discuss changes on this page. →Ollie (talk • contribs) 01:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

There is an ongoing debate further up the page under AFI: emo?, however I think what you've done was a good thing. Diabolical 01:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

ENOUGH!

Do not change AFI's genre again. AFI is not alt rock. That's stupid. For one, alt rock is way to broad of a term. If you called something alt rock, they could play anything from red hot chilipeppers type crud, to yellowcard type crud, to fricking black flag type crud. It's too broad of a term. Second off, whichever little fan boy got insulted cause someone called AFI emo, needs to get a life. EMO IS NOT A DEROGATORY TERM! Emo is what AFI has become in recent years. I'm a fan of them. I fricking know what I'm talking about here. I've been keeping up with the progression of this band forever and I'm a fricking encyclopedia when it comes to punk sub-genres. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.253.34.86 (talk) 18:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC).

first off, emo is a way to describe some of the bands lyrics, yes. the music however, is far from emo. emo music is generally down-tempo and even when it is not it never reaches the breakneck speed of AFI's. the "emo" bands of today are not really emo. hawthorne heights and my chemical romance are not emo. they are pop rock with emo lyrics. jawbreaker and the promise ring are emo. alternative rock is a broad term, yes. but how do you define a band who in 15 years, have gone from having songs about cereal wars and key lime pie to having songs about making beauty stay if you take your life? also, chill out. we are all fans here. but dont proclaim that you know more about this band then someone else does.

I like how you misinterpret the lyrics to Miss Murder! - Enzo Dragon 02:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

how so enzo? i was just typing in the lyric as it is heard and didn't alter anything but tense.

Well, I'm all for blunted lyricism and obvious poetry, but I don't think Miss Murder falls into one of those categories, lyrically. After all, the rest of the song uses a lot of interpretable imagery, and it's careful not to give form to it's main players ("he", and "them") besides Miss Murder. Given that context, I think it's hard to assume that "take my life" refers to straight out suicide. HOWEVER, we probably shouldn't go on about this here. Get a hold of me if you want to carry on a conversation. - Enzo Dragon 06:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll explain the basic terms listed in the infobox:

• Punk rock: for the majority of their career, certainly. Backed up by various sources
• Hardcore: same as above
• Alternative rock: starting around 1999, they started gradually putting in a lot of gothic rock influence, which is one of the main alternative genres. They don't play outright goth, but they have also slowed down their tempos in recent albums and worked with producers like Butch Vig. Listed as alternative on Allmusic and goth in other places.
• Emo: I think this has to do primarily with Davey Havok's vocals. Nevertheless, Emo is used to label them on Allmusic as well, but that's the only place I've seen it used for the band so far. WesleyDodds 03:12, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!! I am an AFI fan to!!!!! I may be 14 but I love them and emo is not what I would describe AFI as. EMO is a stupid term used for emotional... in other terms people who dress in black dont smile and slit their wrists. <-- stupid ha?? Whoever describes their lyrics as emo is wrong!!! Their lyrics are just meaningful!!! Its better than that other mainstream crap!!! AFI just expands on it and uses much more meaninful words. December underground may have a few songs that may seem 'emo' but emo is not a correct term!! Sing the Sorrow is more punk rock and even AFI believes that their music is not emo!!! ~crushed velvet~

We need to get this article locked.

I'm getting tired of idiots coming in and putting emo in the music genre area.

Hey, I think it should be locked too. It's not A Flute Inside people. Their page isn't a page for opinions

Actually, we don't need to lock it, we simply must revert vandalism. Editors, note that the first comment above was made by the same address that vandalized AFI (band) in recent days here. And when you revert vandalism, why not take the time to go back to the last clean version. Remove ALL the vandalism, not just one "Flute". BabuBhatt 16:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for that. My eight your old brother makes joke edits on wikipedia. I haven't vandalized anything. I am also a fan of AFI.

should someone put that the missing frame in the music videos is coming out in january? or is that fake cause i read it from here...

I really love reading the derogatory things, but what the hell is up with A Flue Inside? A Fag Inside I can understand, but really... --Gpmuscillo 11:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, if it gets locked. The random anonymous people can't add more stuff that is actually legit.

Well, u guys succeeded. It has been locked. Anyway, here's a site I think u should use instead of the other one http://www.afireinside.net/bio/ it's got more reference material.

Next Single

What's the next single???? have they confirmed it yet?????Chriscool334 00:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What about TRL?!?!?

Why is TRL too insignificant to be kept up? If fans (or other people) keep voting, then they will have a major success on TRL! "Love Like Winter" was definitely on TRL all 40 days and finished at spot 7. They were even # 1 for a few days running until Beyonce, Christina, and Justin, and the All American Rejects made them drop. They were even off the ladder for a day or two. (1/14/07)

Never mind. I didn't read it completely.

What happened to 'early years'?!

Seriously! It's GONE! What the hell?! - Enzo Dragon 01:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I put it back in. It'd help if someone fixed the image (I don't know how!). I'm going to work on finding citations (the information can be found on their site, if anyone wants to do this for me). - Enzo Dragon 01:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know who's taking things out of the article, but the trivia section is gone too! What the hell? I'm putting it back. --Lizzysama 01:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

So I kinda' got around to it. I'll be adding more citations in later, just to over-kill it and make sure it never gets removed again. All of the citations present should cover the information, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Enzo Dragon (talk • contribs) 04:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

Hey, Wasn't it Davey Havok to go to Berkeley? Should this site specify. I think it should. That's why it is the AFI (band) page. It's supposed to have info like that that's generally obscure elsewhere.

Biography

I snipped this: "It is also said Mark went back to college after his departure from AFI." Said? Did he or didn't he? Needs substantiation. Saint Mahone 22:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I took out the sentence at the end that mentioned the DVD titled "I Heard A Voice" that is rumoured to be released on December 12th. The source of this information is not legitimate, and there is a great possibility that the title and release date of the DVD are fake. I also took out the DVD section, because it is not relevant unless this rumour is confirmed. X stella 04:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

If you would just go to their official website you would see that a DVD is going to be released on December 12, 2006. I don't remember the name though-Leandreamo

AFI acronym

Shouldn't the page be "A Fire Inside" with redirect from the abbreviation? I speak only from the standpoint of standardization, having no knowledge of this particular band. -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 00:08, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think the band is nearly always known as AFI. The long name is really only a point of trivia that fans know and few others care about. Tuf-Kat 05:23, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

Well, as near as I can tell, everything about the bound is obscure and known only to fans. ::grin:: But there are plenty of things that are at any rate referred to primarily by initials (the US leaps to mind that are nonetheless properly called by their full name, and the official website also uses the full name. On the other hand, the articles on DNA and AIDS are listed under the abbreviations and not the full text, so perhaps my case for standardization is specious. -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽ 07:23, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Well, they were not always known as A Fire Inside, but they have always gone by the initials AFI, so there you go. Darkstarwithin 08:59, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Speaking from my perspective, saying "I love A Fire Inside" in typical conversation or something of the like makes you seem as if you are trying too hard. Really. Another common "joke" in the AFI community is to call them "Afee" or "Ahfee"; mocking the mispronunctiation that plagues us. Some laugh hysterically. I shake my head and call you an idiot. And they have ALWAYS been A fire inside. ALWAYS. Some say A Bunch of Freaking Idiots, blahblahblah. It runs the gamut. But the band has repeatedly stated that they have always been. Just, FYI...I know...you don't care...User:d3s0lat3_Fa1th3

Hence my username. ;) Afee 22:01, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Back when I used to listen to them in the mid-90s, the band explicitly stated that AFI didn't stand for anything, whenever people would ask! They seem to have rewritten that part of history, because I never saw the phrase A Fire Inside appear until the EP of that same name was released, after they had already released several albums. Abuncha Fuckin' Idiots was sort of the joke name for the band, and their writing credits were assigned to Anthems for Insubordinates, but neither was the band's name. --Delirium 05:15, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)

Well, on their third album which was released in 1997, if you look on the inside of the cd case near the hinge, you can see the text "a fire inside" printed on the card.Darkstarwithin 14:05, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Granted that 'personal research' is against Wiki policy, but just to weigh in with personal experience, I was a member of security for 924 Gilman in 1994/95 and became aquaintanced with AFI (amongst others). I asked the same question they must have by now heard a blue-million times. The answer? It stands for nothing, really. Davey laughed, though, and said Abuncha Fuckin' Idiots. For whatever it's worth. Saint Mahone 22:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

A friend of mine told me it used to be Askin' For It as that was the name of the fan club listed on one of the first albums if I remember correctly. Cdwillis 04:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

On the official messaeboard it says

"Has AFI always stood for A Fire Inside?"

   * Davey, Adam, Hunter and Jade's band has always been called "A Fire Inside."

Could it not be said that when Geoff and Mark were in the band it didn't mean anything? And that with the new members came a "new" name? 03:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds like a deliberately evasive answer. It does mesh with the other evidence that use of "A Fire Inside" came to the fore around the time Jade joined the band. --Delirium 03:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

In their early CDs they are credited as Anthems for Insubordinates. I guess later they just changed their names. On other CDs like Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes they call them A Fire Inside. Does that make any difference to anyone?{{Mistress Winter}} 23:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

They did change their name. Maybe Davey, Adam, Hunter, and Jade's band has always been A Fire Imside, but what about the earlier incarnations of the band? That's why the Q:A cited names the bandmembers specifically. - Enzo Dragon 12:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I know back in the day their website was AskForInformation.hotmail.com So maybe AFI orriginally stood for Ask For Information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.25.68.76 (talk) 16:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

They were always called AFI but have not always been called a fire inside. and besides, afi is ther term that you always use. or "affy" if you're my sister. and yeah, the thing about adam, jade, davey and hunter's band is evasive, cos afi hasn't always been adam, jade, davey and hunter's band, so there's a potential for smartassery/finding a loophole. --Gpmuscillo 22:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Very Proud of Ya release date / label

I'm not convinced this section is correct. It states the release was '95, then re-released 96 on Nitro. However, the article doesn't mention the first album re-release on nitro (96). I think this might be a mix-up. As far as I can tell, VPOY was released for the first time on nitro in '96.

You have VPOY confused with ATASF. Afee 22:01, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

VPOY was officially released in 1996. I have the CD, and you can check the release date on Amazon and the official AFI site. -- Hotdoglives 24 October 2005

Linked Article

Is there really a reason the article links to a random concert review from over two years ago? Any reason to keep it? At all? --Blue Dream July 5, 2005 23:57 (UTC)

well it's relevant, since it's them performing, and it isn't doing any harm... -- Jon Dowland 22:06, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Eh, I guess. Alright then. --Blue Dream 02:10, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Albums/Vinyls/EPs without pages

Given that I'm going to have an excess of free time in the near future, I think I am going to take it upon myself to flesh out AFI's discography a bit more. I started working on 336 a little. Question, though: would it be appropriate of me to add them into the rotation on the individual existing album pages? For example, currently The Art of Drowning links forward to Sing the Sorrow, and Sing the Sorrow back to The Art of Drowning, despite 336 coming out between them. Once I get the 336 page up to snuff, shall I set those two pages to link to it, and have it link forward and back to them?--Blue Dream 19:55, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Well, 336 isn't an album, so I wouldn't suggest doing that. Looking at e.g. Bloodflowers, singles/EPs etc. are not included in the rotation. However, the box on the RHS of Broken (album) indicates that singles, EPs etc. are included in the rotation for Nine Inch Nails (note also the page title being prefixed with (album), dispite it not being an album). I'd suggest looking around other groups and seeing what the concensus is. NIN may be an exceptional case, as every last release of theirs was given a unique sequencing ('halo') number, singles and all. I think some of AFI's earlier releases may be more difficult to include like this, so I'm inclined to think only albums should be in it. -- Jon Dowland 11:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you that NIN doesn't really work as an example either way, with their Halo system and all, but I think that EPs of entirely new material deserve -- i.e., All Hallow's, A Fire Inside, and 336 -- should be... well, I don't want to say treated as albums, because they're not... essentially, I think there's a difference between a single, which may or may not include any b-sides, and an EP, which is specifically new material, generally. The Cure haven't really had any EPs, per se... even though they did have a few non-album singles back in the day -- which somewhat defeats my point, doesn't it, then? Hm... --Blue Dream 19:21, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

It's all debatable: I guess this goes to show there are no hard and fast rules :) I'd argue that Japanese_Whispers was an EP. -- Jon Dowland 11:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Or are the EPs and early stuff not significant enough to warrant that? Thoughts, anyone?--Blue Dream 19:55, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

well, personally, I think the All Hallows EP is their best release - I intend to work on, if not write entirely, that article someday. -- Jon Dowland 11:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Or hell, is this job not worth doing at all? --Blue Dream 19:55, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

it's up to you what you spend your time doing :-) -- Jon Dowland 11:25, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

You've done a great job with the discography. It makes me feel all warm inside to look at that enormous list of releases because it really shows at a glance that AFI was around before StS. Besides, the albums are the things that really MAKE the band - their history and all that is extra stuff. I would consider the EPs as equal to the albums. There's a huge difference in length, but isn't All Hallow's usually acknowledged as one of their BEST albums? A Fire Inside was the last album made with a member of the original line-up (the end of an era), and 336 is part of the Clandestine and Sing the Sorrow mystery that's had fans over-analyzing things for three years now. Wow. Afee 21:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Singles

I really do not think the articles for the following are needed:

• Girl's Not Grey UK 7"
• Girl's Not Grey Germany
• Girl's Not Grey Europe (says its an album, but only has 4 tracks)
• The Leaving Song Pt.II UK 7"
• The Leaving Song Pt.II Australian Tour Edition
• The Leaving Song Pt.II Germany
• The Leaving Song Pt. II EU Cassette
• The Leaving Song Pt.II UK CD1
• The Leaving Song Pt.II UK CD2

They are devoid of much information and are quite pointless, they haven't even been linked to. There should only be one Girl's Not Grey and The Leavig Song article (at MOST) each, every format should not get its own article. I think they should be labelled for deletion. Plus, articles should start with the article name and articles such as these should include the band's name in the first few lines, not only as a category. Tartan 22:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. I've merged them all into one article for each. Dwnsjane2 03:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Didn't notice this till now, but thanks for that. Tartan 16:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that there is no confirmation that Kill Caustic is going to be the next single. X stella 21:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, I'd also like to point out that Endlessly, She Said has not been confirmed as the next single. So far there has been no official news of the next single. I'd like to see the sources for where people are getting this information. X stella 20:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I just removed this line-"A new single, "The Missing Frame", is scheduled for a Janaury release.". This is like the 3rd time I've seen that in the article with no confirmation. Lizzysama 22:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Just because Davey said that his fave songs from the album are The "Killing Lights", "Endlessly She Said", "The Missing Frame" and "Love Like Winter doesn't make them singles.... well, it does make love like winter one i guess lol.

Why does the article for Decemberunderground say "Summer Shudder will be the next single, as confirmed by absolutepunk.net 2", while this page says The Missing Frame is the next single? --Lizzysama 20:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Dates

Shouldn't the dates be wikified? raylu 17:35, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

The first occurence of each, sure. -- Jon Dowland 23:49, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Compilations

Down in the compilations section... Myspace Records doesn't need the "Rabbits are Roadkill" song name listed by it. None of the other compilations have the song names listed. No reason to start doing it now, unless you mean to go back and add the song names to the other compiliations too. --Hotdoglives 12:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Vandalizing

It appears someone didn't like AFI too much and vandalize the Bio section to say "AFI Sucks!" in large, bold letter before the article started. As far as I can tell, it's the only change he made. I edited it back. If you check the history, the change is the one right before mine- I'm not sure if this guy has vandalized more articles, that might be something to look into. Mouseclicker 05:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Nope. He hasn't. --Dwnsjane 05:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

You can find out the edits of any user by going to the "my contributions" link that is at the top of the page when you are logged in (right next to the links to watchlist and logout). Click on it and it will show all your edits. Look at the URL and just change the username to the username you want to see and viola! If there are spaces in the username, use_underscores_like_this. There is probably an easier way, but that's how I do it. The Ungovernable Force 07:45, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

There is also another vandalism that doesn't seem to have been reported here recently: just before the "mainstream success" section, there is a bit of vandalism that I can't seem to remove, no matter which edit I click, Including the one at the top. I'm referring to the statement beginning with "A BAG OF W***", and I don't know how they did this. TIKKIMANN 21:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Now someone is vandalizing writing stupid things about afi and their name... :| Xr 1 20:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Compilations

The compilations section is huge. I've moved the "real" compilations into it (the eponymous release on Nitro and the vinyl boxed-set), but the others are mostly multi-artist punk comps. It would make more sense to list the actual song(s) that AFI ahve on those comps where possible, but also that should go in it's own article as it really crowds out the rest of the info on this one. Assuming there are no objections I'll do that in the near future. -- Jon Dowland 20:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

previous members

I was just wondering why there is no reference to AFI's previous members. And this article also says right at the top that AFI was formed by not only Davey and Adam, but also Hunter and Jade. That isn't true. This should be fixed by somebody.Conner f 01:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Covers

Since now we are listing the covers, we need to make an organized list of them, to replace the messy paragraph we have now. Hotdoglives 07:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Years Active

Didn't the band become inactive both between 1993 and 1995 (when members attended college) and in 1998 (when Mark left)? --Kahlfin 18:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Lower It

In the biography, I found the following sentence: "The song 'Lower It' is rumored to be about straight edge kids who do not stay straight edge." I searched and could not find a source for it. I myself have heard rumors both that the song is about Mark and that the song is political. Unless someone can find a source, I'm going to remove it. --Kahlfin 19:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Too Many Links

Do we really need so many links at the bottom of the page? I think the offical AFI Site, The DF, The Myspace and maybe AFISeries should suffice. This isn't a bulletin board for every fansite out there. Krys Nyteshade 19:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think some people have been adding their own fansites just to get publicity. Let's take some of those down. Hotdoglives 10:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

AFI Series deserves to be linked down at the bottom. It's probably the only AFI fansite that gets exclusive material and permissions from the band. - Enzo Dragon 10:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Just went and dropped a couple of more that had popped up. Uh, looks like I'm not logged in. This is Krys again.

The AFI Wiki-Dictionary page is really disorganized. It should be formatted differently.

Here's one that should be added http://www.afireinside.net/bio/

Bands Agent

I am a writer, trying to get an interview with AFI, but have not been able to contact them. Do you know how to contact their agent, or the direct members?

yeah check out Fuse "Making of Miss Murder" and they show there tour manager. jaykob

I'm not sure. Althouh looking on their website might help. Dwnsjane2 06:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

The Offspring Cover

The Offspring covered AFI's Totalimmortal (All Hallows EP) for the soundtrack of Me Myself & Irene (2000). It got a fair amount of radio play, and helped in exposing AFI to larger audiences. The lead singer of The Offspring, Dexter Holland, at the time owned the label AFI was signed to (Nitro Records), and is featured as a backing vocalist on a number of Black Sails songs. Important enough? GoodCyning 16:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I would think so. Where would it go in the article? --Kahlfin 21:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Logo

The current image of the band's logo looks like it was made on MSPaint or something...Someone please find a higher-quality rendering of it if u can. Unless, of course, the band simply favors crappily-drawn logos. --Wikiwow 18:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I have a better image of the logo but i have no idea how to get it up. Would anybody like to tell me how? -- posted anonymously at 18:21, July 28, 2006 from IP 152.163.100.73

There should be an "Upload file" link in the toolbox on the left-hand side of the page. You may need to register first, or get a registered user to upload it for you. -- JHunterJ 13:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok. So I found the upload thing. Only problem is that it confuses the hell out of me. So I guess you guys will have to find someone who understands how to do all that.--Conner f 22:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

There's also Wikipedia:Uploading images. If there's still confusion, that page (uploading images) should be edited to clarify the process. Let me know if so! -- JHunterJ 23:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I finally managed to change the logo. My confusion was lifted after going over things in the uploading images article like suggested. It should look better than the previous one. If not, it's my faultConner f 00:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Just so you two know, the the logo that had been featured here was actually a very, very high quality rendition. The reason it looked so crappy on the wiki is that it has a fade-boarder, meant for a color other than white. - Enzo Dragon 10:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

VMAs & Mystery

I think it should be added that AFI is nominated for this year's VMAs under Best Rock Video, Best Direction in a Video, and Best Cinematography in a Video.

Also, I was very surprised to see that there was no mention of the Charlotte/336/Clandestine mystery. It's become an obsession to many AFI fans, new and old. --Echoing0comfort 04:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It'd be hard to mention Clandestine within the band's wiki. However, if someone wanted to start a seperate wiki on the mystery, and then list it under "see also:", I'd get behind it. Enzo Dragon 10:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to try to add unfo about the mystery that into the article. Though it I can't go into the entire mystery in detail because for the most part it is alot of unconfirmed facts. As for the VMA, I don't think it is nessasary to add that to the article until we find the results. Dwnsjane2 18:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't call any part of Clandestine "uncomfirmed facts". There are beliefs some fans hold that are entirely false, however, so you'd want the right people to help you write. - Enzo Dragon 10:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Alot of it is unconfirmed facts. None of the theories suggested have been confirmed by the band is true. The only confirmed facts are the obvious evidence, and the short film.

I wouldn't describe someone's theory as a "fact" in any context, and the mystery isn't based around those theories, reguardless. Therefor, you COULD describe the entire mystery in detail without any problem, and leave the reader to come up with their own theories. - Enzo Dragon 12:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

they won.

Other Notes section

I think that the "other notes" really breaks up the flow of the article. When I read it, it sounds very "by-the-way". Perhaps I'm just crazy. Still - is there any way we can get all of those facts in without it reading like a bunch of forks in a newspaper? - Enzo Dragon 10:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I've tried to incoperate as much of those into the article as possible. Because some of them occur to me as more part of the history of the band as opposed to trivia. Dwnsjane2 18:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

DVD and decemberunderground Special Edition

Is there a reason why the inof on them keeps on getting deleted every time i put it up? (Zeropunk16 08:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC))

Genre Section

I'd have just put this under the "Genre" headline already created, but I think this deserves special attention. GothicEmbrace made an edit awhile down the line, and then continued insisting that the genre section should be devided into sections (Early/Mid/Current, or something along those lines). It seems to me that this is both unprecidented and unecessary. Take, for instance, the Clash, a band that has been around the spectrum quite a bit. It's article is not devided into sections, but instead the genres are listed without noting the time-period. This seems most practicle to me, since the job of a band article, as I see it, is to provide information on the band in all years - it is the job of Album articles to assign a genre to individual eras. Certainly by way of ear-work, we can hear AFI's roots up into their latest work, both in the Hardcore Punk and Punk Rock genres, which makes AFI's case much more a candidate for non-sectioned genre. 70.16.196.104 05:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Emo would be the genre I would classify them as. Seeing as "Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria..."

AFI is only listed for the sake of objectivity. It says "Correctly or not", meaning that not all of the band's listed fall within the boundaries of 3rd wave emo. - Enzo Dragon 00:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Spelling of AFI

iTunes spell the band A.F.I. What is the correct spelling? DJJJ 15:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

It is spelled on the albums without the periods. I'm pretty sure it's AFI. 69.248.110.202 01:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It is spelled either way.

New CD?

The page lists "Clandestine Lullabies" as coming out in 2007. Did I miss something?

Good

These pages are some of the best I've ever read! I think you did a realy good job making and addin these entries. I know alot about Afi cuz i have every single album.

New EP?

"The band is also planning on recording a new E.P that should be out by late spring." Where was this found out at? Zeropunk16 22:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Jade mentioned the possibility of an EP in an interview, and that it might come out Summer/Fall. Late Spring it was most definitely not, and it was only speculation anyway. So, that's probably where it came from haha 24.24.237.250 09:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

picture?

Where did the band picture go? It was there the last time I checked and now it's gone. Lizzysama 22:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just replaced it. It was removed by an anonymous editor with no explaination. Ollie 22:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Lizzysama 22:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the pic should be changed from time to time, or at least maybe have a couple more pics.

Wester

When was "Wester" released as a single?

trivia

Why does the trivia section keep being removed? Is trivia no longer allowed on wikipedia articles or something like that or is it because it's "unremarkable" and very small? I'm seriously confused, because tons of other articles have this section. --Lizzysama 02:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm assuming that the reverter, "Can't sleep, clowns will ear me," is going off of the basis that the information provided in the late trivia section was not of an encyclopedic nature, or "unremarkable" (that is, not really all that important that an encyclopedia needs to have the info on hand). If you question his reasoning, I would suggest that you message him about it! - Enzo Dragon 05:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that some of the stuff from TRIVIA was relocated to TV performances.

Decemberunderground

the album has not yet been cirtified platnum, but only gold.Jimmypop1994 20:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

They deserve a platnium and Im not sure why they havent got one yet!! They are an awsome band- much better than some of the mainstream!!! Im 14 and I love AFI- their music hass meaning- their music is ART!!! Im just very suprised why they havent been labeled as one of the best bands of all time!!

The SNL Sound Glitch

Just tossing this into debate

(LadySatine 07:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC))

What about it? Wikipedia is not a forum for discussing bands. Diabolical 16:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe it should be added to the article. Floramage! 18:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC

Rider

I think it should be noted according to thesmokinggun.com Davey asks for a very large mirror on every AFI tour.

No, it shouldn't. Diabolical 01:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge from Despair Faction

Please merge any relevant content from Despair Faction per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Despair Faction. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-26 08:35Z

Punk Fiction?

should punk fiction be added in here? or would the album cover upset too many?? LollyLo 09:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC) -the fat kid —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.143.152.236 (talk) 03:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC).