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Kyrgyz Confederation

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A new state invented by the Foggy Kub participant, all sources in the article (except for the encyclopedia "Kyrgyzstan", which vaguely characterizes the union of tribes as a state entity, while not mentioning the term Kyrgyz confederation) do not mention the term Kyrgyz confederation in their sources, the user invented the currency, capital and even the official language of lmao. Even if you find something remotely similar to the consensus in academic science, then this article definitely deserves to be deleted as a hoax. The book by Barbara A. West does not mention at all that the Kyrgyz language was official in the "Kyrgyz confederation", there is just a simplified history of the Kyrgyz as tribes in the middle of the Altai and Tien Shan, this is to understand the full scale of the hoax. And yes, the name Dasht-i-Kyrgyz does not exist. Kazman322 (talk) 12:44, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kyrgyzstan-related deletion discussions. Kazman322 (talk) 12:44, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, the article was NOT created by me, and secondly, the name "Dasht-i Kyrgyz" is mentioned in this source:[1]. The language is mentioned in this source - [2].Foggy kub (talk) 12:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- The first source refers to the territory, not the state, in the second source there is no confirmation of the existence of the Kyrgyz Confederation. Kazman322 (talk) 13:04, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - «in the early 20s of the 16th century, Muhammad-Kyrgyz, whom many Kyrgyz scientists, following O. Karaev, recognize as the first leader of the Kyrgyz tribal union», everything is mentioned directly. Foggy kub (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - About "Dast-i-Kyrgyz". Cited anonymous source of 1675/76 contains the only mention of the phrase "Dast-i-Kyrgyz": "And if any of you get to Tashkent, tell Ubaid Khan that I have gone towards Dasht-i Baglan and Dasht-i Kyrgyz". But let's read the following phrase of the source: "One Kyzylbash caught one Uzbek fellow of three to four hundred Uzbeks who scattered across the Steppe, and brought him to Bayram Khan. During the interrogation, he said: "Muhammad-Timur Khan and Abu Sa'id Khan went towards the fortresses of Baglan and Kyrgyz". Therefore, the term "Dasht-i", in this context, does not mean "state", but only the territory around a particular fortress, the fortress area. That is why attributing "Dasht-i Kyrgyz" the meaning of the "name of the state" to this phrase is an original study, which is based on an arbitrary false interpretation of a single mention in a single medieval source. It is important for us that a number of respected reputable modern historical sources analyze the subject of the article, interpret it exactly as described in the article, name the subject of the article exactly as it is done in Wikipedia. Otherwise, such a Wikipedia article will be an original study based on a biased selection and false interpretation of sources. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 19:13, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sources confirming the existence of this state: [3], [4]p.350 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foggy kub (talk • contribs) 13:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I ask for the term KYRGYZ CONFEDERATION. You can't just make up a term from clippings about the Yenisei Kyrgyz and just book references. Kazman322 (talk) 13:09, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - You asked for the sources of the existence of the state of the 16-18 centuries, I cited them, please, before a stupid answer, read all the sources, thanks. Foggy kub (talk) 13:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - [5] P.176-179 It mentions the consolidation of the Kyrgyz tribes into a state with their own laws and principles.Foggy kub (talk) 15:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - The same source with another page 140, the country "Kyrgyz" is mentioned here:[6].Foggy kub (talk) 15:34, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - [7] "Mohammed Kyrgyz created an independent Kyrgyz state". Foggy kub (talk) 15:51, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - [8] "Under Mohammed Kyrgyz, the Kyrgyz tribes for the first time acted as an independent state."Foggy kub (talk) 16:45, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Kazman322, I can't wait for your answer to the arguments, and the book, as well as your friend Bogomolov.PL, “I can’t answer without emotions”, is this your envy?)☺️ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauriswift911 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]