Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment/A-Class review/New York State Route 22

New York State Route 22

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Article was promoted. --Holderca1^talk 00:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: Promote to A-class

Nominator's comments: The first GA produced by the WP:NYSR Article Improvement Drive. GA review suggested that the article be promoted to A-class so I brought it here.

Nominated by: ^Mitch32^contribs 14:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right now there's nothing on turnpikes. I don't have a full list of them, but I do know that the Northern Turnpike between Salem and Granville is now NY 22. I hope somebody can find a full list of every turnpike that actually did something in New York. --NE2 15:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Northern Turnpike information, to the extent, known from online sources, has been added. I don't know if any other portion had been a turnpike. --Polaron | Talk 01:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd personally love for it to have more pictures, given that it's such a long route (compare with U.S. Route 9 in New York). But I haven't found any more than that one of the Drowned Lands on Flickr, and while I could certainly take some myself I'd rather wait till late spring/summer again. Daniel Case (talk) 15:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues from Rschen7754 (T C) 22:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

These issues need to be resolved in the article:
- - Replied to most of the listed items below. --Polaron | Talk 01:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Infobox - that QC shield PD?
- Lead - 2nd sentence - do the units need to be wikilinked? I'm not familiar enough with MOS to know that.
  - Units wikified in introduction.
- 3rd sentence - I don't folow. It could be rewritten to be a little more clear.
  - Rewritten for clarity
- Lead 2nd paragraph - and in the city of Plattsburgh?
  - Fixed
- horse country?
- New York City watershed? It would be better to give more geographically recognized terms such as farmland and whatnot and then explain how they perform those functions instead.
  - Explicitly mentioned the reservoirs for clarity.
- Wilder?
  - Changed to "undeveloped"
- RD - "urban-suburban" a legitimate phrase? I'd check on that.
  - Changed to just "urban"
- changes direction - which way?
  - Clarified
- it remains to the Canadian border - rewrite - that's a bit awkward
  - Fixed
- 1.1 - Comma after "Just after that"
  - Fixed
- SR 22 (or whatever NY uses), not just 22 - this is throughout the article
  - Fixed. Article currently uses a mix of "NY 22" and "Route 22"
- Comma after At Wilson Woods Lake
  - Fixed
- "then has" --> "before having"
  - Not fixed. "then has" sounds correct to me, i.e. a sequential description.
- Wikilink Country clubs?
  - Linked
- Scarsdale is followed by Hartsdale - what is Hartsdale? Be more specific here - they could be two consecutive signs.
  - Clarified
- with unsigned county highway designations - seems a bit awkward and unclear.
  - Now just reads "unsigned designations". Not quite sure how to fix otherwise.
- Why is Post Road mentioned?
  - Removed
- Where is "Here"? I assume you mean White Plains.
  - Yes. Fixed.
- The first state highways along its route - could be more clear.
  - Removed
- Did you lose a period after Cross-Westchester Expressway (I-287)?
  - Fixed
- How does a road become "a little less developed"?
  - Fixed
- Where does BRP play in? You said it parallels the road.
  - I'm not sure what you mean. BRP parallels NY 22 through White Plains and ends just north of the city.
    - Suddenly the article mentions that BRP ends at a traffic circle.
- 1.2 - Taconic?
  - clarified
- The past tense construction in the first sentence isn't the greatest - probably should rephrase
  - Reworded
- Comma after "For the first time"
  - Fixed
- A short distance past.... what?
  - Clarified
- and then NY 121, leaves to the northeast. - unclear
  - Clarified
- Two miles north of that junction, becomes parallel to I-684 into the Town of Somers and the hamlet of Goldens Bridge. - lost a subject
  - Fixed
- eponymous station? - not sure what that is. Is it something somewhat well known?
  - Stated name of station explicitly for clarity
- Is it really "Purdy's"? because that's weird otherwise...
  - Yes
- Routes 6 and 202 - please distinguish types
  - Fixed
- picks up? a bit too colloquial.
  - Tried to minimize usage throughout text. There may be one or two left.
- 1.3 - At first - puts too much personification on the route.
  - Reworded
- 2nd sentence is worded a bit strangely
  - Reworded
- Shortly after a third... what?
  - Fixed
- Brief divided section? what is that?
  - Clarified and linked
- Comma before Instead of ending
  - Fixed
- they - *might* be too much on personification
  - Reworded
- eastern fringe
  - Fixed
- flag stop? You mean train station?
  - It's not a true station where passengers can get on and off. In any case, flag stop is linked.
- leaves - *might* be personification
  - Tried to minimize usage throughout text but one or two instanced might be remaining.
- Begins an overlap - may want to rephrase
  - Reworded
- This paragraph puts a bit too much emphasis on the railroad, and this makes it a bit too hard to follow.
- departs - that is too much personification in this case
  - Tried to minimize usage throughout text but one or two instanced might be remaining.
- comes in? that is too much personification
  - Tried to minimize usage throughout text but one or two instanced might be remaining.
- After NY 199 reaches its eastern end - if it's at the eastern end, how can it veer northeast?
  - Clarified
- Does the Oblong have a Wikipedia article?
  - Unfortunately not yet. Link is currently to a dab page.
- out of state? too vague. At least say out of the state.
  - Clarified
- remove comma before into
  - Fixed
- First route to the MA state line?
  - Clarified
- I assume the SP is in MA?
  - Yes
- comes at is bad phrasing
  - Fixed
- where NY 23 crosses what?
  - Clarified
- state line straddling? if you do that, check to see if it's 1 or 2 words.
  - Reworded
- Maybe say surrounding terrain becomes more wooded and the valleys become narrower.
  - Fixed
- returning to a northward direction?
  - Reworded
- Remove comma after state line
  - Fixed
- Lost a ) after I-90
  - Fixed
- interchange B3?
  - It is technically correct but changed to Exit B3 in any case.
- From here comma
  - Fixed
- I assume NY 295 is NY's longest route?
  - Longest east-west route refers to US 20. Clarified and made explicit.
- Former and latter - now that is good
- It remains - may want to rewrite - say the routing
  - Reworded
- Comma after North of that junction
  - Fixed
- Afterward (no s)
  - Fixed
- overlaps (with s - subject-verb agreement)
  - Fixed
- What is it - the concurrency? ("it follows the upper...")
  - Clarified
- 1.4 - you started 2 sentences with "after" - change one of them for more variety.
  - Reworded
- it is within... --> it comes within
  - Fixed
- share --> run concurrently
  - Reworded (now uses "overlap")
- begins its route running closely parallel
  - Fixed
- At this point the use of the word "trending" got to me - it's probably not a good word to use.
  - I don't have the same bad feeling about "trending". I removed a few instances in the latter parts of the route description but many still remain.
- 1.5 - state is very near to what?
  - Clarified
- no need for the in the Adriondack Park.
  - Fixed
- and the largest state-level...
  - Fixed
- Capitalize Lakes
  - Fixed
- Capitalize Wars
  - Fixed
- A limb is an attachment not a side - is incorrect if you're trying to say that NY 22 and US 9 are the only routes going up the eastern side of NY
  - Reworded
- don't need "here" before run
  - Fixed
- U.S. highway --> U.S. Route
  - Reworded. Uses US 9 explicitly.
- 1.6 - just south... of?
  - Clarified
- near the now-closed
  - Fixed
- eastward slightly
  - Reworded
- NY 22 is South Catherine....
  - Reworded
- Saying divides into one-way couplets would make it more clear
  - FIxed
- Comma after After Boynton Avenue...
  - Fixed
- Comma after Just after the exit,
  - Fixed
- The road doesn't become wooded. The terrain around it does.
  - Fixed
I would have reviewed the history, but seeing as this took about 75 minutes to write up for just the route description, I decided to retire for the night. They say that when you're tired you tend to do worse reviewing papers so it's probably better that I retire for the night (as it's about 1:20 AM) and finish this tomorrow. I hope I wasn't too critical as it was.
The main strengths of this article are the level of depth and comprehensive information.
The main weaknessess of this article are the diction, the assumption of prior knowledge that the reader should have, and trying to get the syntax to flow. I'm not an editor that supports much personification of roads so I've pointed that out as well. "Trending" is not a good term to use as it makes one think the direction of the route is random or rhythmic like a periodic trend. Sometimes concepts in the article are not explained the best that they could be, and a few words or punctuation marks need adjustment to make the prose flow better. --Rschen7754 (T C) 19:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Second part of review
- - 2.1 - is it modern-day? I'm bad at hyphenated words...
  - All instances corrected to "modern-day"
- "to points north" and "beyond" are redundant
  - Fixed
- Whenever you put a prepositional phrase at the beginning of a sentence, you frequently (if not always) put a comma after it. (During colonial times)
  - Fixed (I think I got them all)
- Wikilink the Indian tribe?
  - Added link
- modern-day issues again
  - Fixed
- 2.2 - wikilink the legislature?
  - Added link
- which was amended
  - Fixed
- don't need comma after the quotation
  - Fixed
- also later doesn't go together
  - Fixed
- In 1909.... sentence is a bit ambiguous. May wish to say - State highways were first legally defined in 1909 and given...
  - Reworded...
- May want to combine the next sentence into it
  - ...and combined
- Either capitalize Legislative Routes throughout or don't, but don't use both capitalizations
  - Fixed ("route" no longer capitalized; "legislative" appears at beginning of sentences so is still capitalized)
- and then went north
  - Fixed
- The southern segment began in Troy comma following NY 7 t Hoosick comma then went north...
  - Fixed
- 2.3 - 2nd sentence could be rewritten
  - Reworded
- newly-improved? (again please look that up, I'm not positive about that)
  - Not changed. I'm not sure about this one but I do see non-hyphenated usages in formal texts.
- Wikilink Auto Club of NY?
  - Linked
- then it shifted --> before it shifted?
  - Not changed. "Then" seems to sound better here but feel free to change
- May want to clarify that AASHO is now AASHTO
  - Clarified
- 2.5 - Reference Route? (capital)
  - Fixed
- southern
  - Fixed
- Town supposed to be capitalized?
  - Fixed
- Two sentences starting with In the town of... change one
  - Entire section restructured
- more easterly road doesn't sound good
  - Removed
- I don't think you mean that the west bank of the river is now CR 6.
  - Fixed
- dead-end hyphenated? Check that
  - Fixed to use hyphen
- Junction list looks good but of course you always want to double check those against standards. --Rschen7754 (T C) 22:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Replies to each item listed above. --Polaron | Talk 18:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support is very comprehensive, and prose has been cleaned up. --Rschen7754 (T C) 22:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues from Holderca1^talk 20:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Here are a few comments that I have.

The first image needs to be moved, per the WP:MOS, "Do not place left-aligned images directly below second-level (===) headings"
Questions about the references:
- Reference 4 and 61 do not appear to be references at all, but footnotes, you should probably move these to a "Notes" section.
- All web sources need a accessdate
- References 46 and 47, are they NY Times articles? Do you know the author?
- Several of the sources don't appear to be formatted correctly, use {{cite web}} and other citation templates and you will never go wrong.

That's it for now. --Holderca1^talk 14:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. I'll try and work on these today. I'm not sure, however, how to separate notes and references. Would a "References and notes" header be ok? I don't remember the precise access date for the web sources so I will just use the end date of the NYSR AID. --Polaron | Talk 15:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See List of National Park System areas in Maryland, it uses both notes and references. --Holderca1^talk 16:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've adjusted the images to conform with the MoS (there was another image that had the same problem). Notes have been separated from references in the style of the List of National Park System areas in Maryland. All references now use one of the cite templates. I've added the author for Ref. 46. Ref. 47 does not have a listed author. --Polaron | Talk 19:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - all issues I had are taken care of, good work. --Holderca1^talk 20:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, excellent reviews by Rschen and Holderca1 and heavy editing by Polaron have made this one of the best articles in NYSR. Needs more pics but that will come in due time. Content-wise, it's ready. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 22:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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