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UEFA–CONMEBOL memorandum of understanding: Referencia a posibilidad de inclusión de Conmebol a UEFA Nations League
Hola Fma12.
Antes de todo, gracias por contribuir a la página UEFA–CONMEBOL memorandum of understanding, que se creó como una traduccióna inglés de un articulo que hice.
Vi que agregaste un párrafo sobre la posible inclusión de los países de Conmebol a la UEFA Nations League. Aunque hay varios rumores y algunos directivos de Conmebol lo dan por hecho, todavía no está confirmada esta inclusivo. Si quisieras hacer mención de esa posibilidad, entiendo que sería mejor darlo como potencial.
De nuevo, gracias. Saludos. Fmarinzalda (talk) 03:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hola, @Fmarinzalda: gracias por tu mensaje. En realidad, el párrafo al que se alude está como potencial, ya que puse (de acuerdo a la misma fuente de Conmebol citada) que ambas partes "acordaron" incluir equipos en la Nations League, lo cual interpreto como un acuerdo de palabra. Desde ya, eso no significa más que una confirmación 'oficial' por así decirlo, de una de las partes. De ahí a que se concrete a futuro, se verá con el tiempo.
- Sinceramente no sé cómo podría enmendarse ese párrafo y poner de forma más explícita que dicho acuerdo es solamente de palabra y puede cristalizarse o no (desconozco si se firmaron documentos a manera de compromiso oficial, por eso no quiero arriesgar opinión). Te invito a que lo dejes más en claro, si es que podés ponerlo en palabras, aunque (es mi opinión personal) no creo que sea necesario agregar nada por ahora, a menos que a futuro se firme algún acuerdo a manera de documento oficial y obviamente, se agregaría en el artículo. Abrazo, Fma12 (talk) 13:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hola @Fma12.
- Podemos dejarlo tal como está escrito ahora. Otra opción sería decir que "se ratificaron acuerdos de nuevas competiciones incluyendo la posibilidad de la inclusión de los países de Conmebol a la UEFA Nations League". Saludos, Fmarinzalda (talk) 07:15, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Non-free use of File:Football Federation Islamic Republic of Iran (low res).png
Hi Fma12. Just wanted to let you know that File:Football Federation Islamic Republic of Iran (low res).png was previously removed (also see here) from Iran national football team by administrator Graeme Bartlett per this FFD discussion. If you feel an error was made, would like further clarification or feel the close should be reconsidered, you probably should discuss things with Graeme on his user talk page per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Hi, @Marchjuly: thanks for the information. I was aware of that rule but unfortunately different criteria apply on different cases. For instance, File:Brazilian Football Confederation logo.svg is used on both, the CBF and the child entity Brazil national team. Other cases (such as File:Paris Saint-Germain F.C..svg) are still more extreme so that logo is used on three articles. Because of that, I have to admit that I'm a bit confused about NFC#UUI rules and how differently they put into effect here. Fma12 (talk) 22:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not if there's really a simple to answer your question. WP:OTHERIMAGE may apply in that each non-free use is supposed to be assessed on its individual merits. Trying to compare the way similar files are being used sometimes can help clarify things, but other times perhaps not so much. There have been a number attempts made over the years to try and clarify this type of non-free use, but none of them appear to have been very successful; so, there's been no change made to that part of WP:NFC#UUI and how it's been (being) interpreted or applied. If you feel that some type of general change is needed, then you can of course start another discussion about this at WT:NFCC. Perhaps this time, something will be able to be resolved.Having said that, if your main concern is the non-free use of this particular file, then starting a new FFD about it's non-free use might be more appropriate. I believe that's what was done in the case of the Brazilian logo. The initial discussion was that it should only be used in the main article about the confederation, but a subsequent discussion established a consensus for its use in the men's article. That might be an approach to try here as well, but you might want to run that by Graeme Bartlett as a courtesy first since you're basically going to be discussing a close he made. A consensus can change over time, but think it's better to seek a new consensus in case like this via discussion than via editing, particularly when there's a formally closed XfD type of discussion involved and you're sort of advocating that a "mistake" was made the first time.I've got no idea about the PSG logo. You brought it up for discussion at FFD, but others apparently weren't sure why you were discussing it (i.e. you clearly didn't state what outcome you were trying to achieve). It looks like you tried to have a general policy discussion in an FFD about the non-free use of an individual file, which is something FFD isn't really intended for. Since Explicit is the administrator who closed that FFD, you might want to ask him about this and why the discussion was closed as a "keep". For reference, that "keep" close doesn't (at least in my opinion) say that the non-free use of that PSG file was policy compliant. It just states that nobody could figure out what you specifically were asking (e.g. "keep", "delete", "remove", "add"); so, they didn't know what action to take and defaulted to "procedural keep".Finally, one thing about the Iran logo is that the main elements of the logo appear to be the Iranian flag, some text (both in English and Farsi) and a soccer ball. Considered individually, each of those elements is probably not eligible for copyright protection (at least under US copyright law); the combination of them, however, might be what makes the logo copyrightable. You might want to take a look at c:COM:Iran to see if there's anything in Iranian copyright law that might apply here. You might also want to consider asking about the logo at c:COM:VPC to see what some others might think. If it turns out that the logo isn't eligible for copyright protection for some reason, then its use would no longer be subject to WP:NFCC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Sincerely, my experience on this project along the years has proved me that criteria to determine the use of non-free images are, at less, contradictory. Not only in football badges but comics covers as well. To be honest and for the reasons explained above, I don't have the will to be involved in further debates about the use of such images. Unless until things change and similar criteria be applied to all the images with no exceptions. Fma12 (talk) 23:47, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps c:COM:VPC#Iranian national football team badge will lead somewhere. If you can read Farsi and know what's written on the logo, then that might be helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:51, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Sincerely, my experience on this project along the years has proved me that criteria to determine the use of non-free images are, at less, contradictory. Not only in football badges but comics covers as well. To be honest and for the reasons explained above, I don't have the will to be involved in further debates about the use of such images. Unless until things change and similar criteria be applied to all the images with no exceptions. Fma12 (talk) 23:47, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not if there's really a simple to answer your question. WP:OTHERIMAGE may apply in that each non-free use is supposed to be assessed on its individual merits. Trying to compare the way similar files are being used sometimes can help clarify things, but other times perhaps not so much. There have been a number attempts made over the years to try and clarify this type of non-free use, but none of them appear to have been very successful; so, there's been no change made to that part of WP:NFC#UUI and how it's been (being) interpreted or applied. If you feel that some type of general change is needed, then you can of course start another discussion about this at WT:NFCC. Perhaps this time, something will be able to be resolved.Having said that, if your main concern is the non-free use of this particular file, then starting a new FFD about it's non-free use might be more appropriate. I believe that's what was done in the case of the Brazilian logo. The initial discussion was that it should only be used in the main article about the confederation, but a subsequent discussion established a consensus for its use in the men's article. That might be an approach to try here as well, but you might want to run that by Graeme Bartlett as a courtesy first since you're basically going to be discussing a close he made. A consensus can change over time, but think it's better to seek a new consensus in case like this via discussion than via editing, particularly when there's a formally closed XfD type of discussion involved and you're sort of advocating that a "mistake" was made the first time.I've got no idea about the PSG logo. You brought it up for discussion at FFD, but others apparently weren't sure why you were discussing it (i.e. you clearly didn't state what outcome you were trying to achieve). It looks like you tried to have a general policy discussion in an FFD about the non-free use of an individual file, which is something FFD isn't really intended for. Since Explicit is the administrator who closed that FFD, you might want to ask him about this and why the discussion was closed as a "keep". For reference, that "keep" close doesn't (at least in my opinion) say that the non-free use of that PSG file was policy compliant. It just states that nobody could figure out what you specifically were asking (e.g. "keep", "delete", "remove", "add"); so, they didn't know what action to take and defaulted to "procedural keep".Finally, one thing about the Iran logo is that the main elements of the logo appear to be the Iranian flag, some text (both in English and Farsi) and a soccer ball. Considered individually, each of those elements is probably not eligible for copyright protection (at least under US copyright law); the combination of them, however, might be what makes the logo copyrightable. You might want to take a look at c:COM:Iran to see if there's anything in Iranian copyright law that might apply here. You might also want to consider asking about the logo at c:COM:VPC to see what some others might think. If it turns out that the logo isn't eligible for copyright protection for some reason, then its use would no longer be subject to WP:NFCC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Austin Peay Logo
Hello,
I work for Austin Peay and had there permission to use that logo on the athletics pages, I am tired of it constantly being removed
Thanks 104.36.201.149 (talk) 16:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- I'm going to reply you on your talk Fma12 (talk) 17:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Fma12!
Fma12,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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- Many, many thanks @Moops:! I hope to continue contributing to this wiki as much as I did in 2023. Best wishes for you too. Fma12 (talk) 18:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you! I was actually blocked for sending too many of these 'Happy New Years' greetings just now. A most distressing turn of events for trying to spread joy! :( — Moops ⋠T⋡ 18:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
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New Arizona Cardinals uniform graphic
Hello, Fma12, I was wondering if when you have time if you would please create a new graphic file for the Arizona Cardinals' new uniforms they unveiled on April 20, 2023? My source for this is per the AZCardinals.com website & NFL.com. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:28, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Charlesaaronthompson:, yes, I would gladly create the new Cardinals uniforms. Thanks for providing me the sources, they will be very useful for the job. Regards, Fma12 (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Orphaned non-free image File:Afl queensland logo.png
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Ghia Microsport
Hi, I saw you edited the Ford Indigo article not too long ago and I'm at my wits end about Ghia Microsport notability, which was at the same auction, interested in taking a look at it and improving it? Thanks! Chadnibal (talk) 21:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @Chadnibal:, I'll try to improve the Ghia article but unfortunately it will not be an easy task. When an article is nominated for deletion due to lack of notability, most of times it is removed. :( Fma12 (talk) 19:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you! Chadnibal (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2023 (UTC)