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1998 NFC Championship Game for Today's Featured Article: 4 February 2018

Hello. I have requested the 1998 NFC Championship Game as the WP:TFA for 4 February 2018. If you wish to comment, please do so on its featured article request page. FunksBrother (talk) 19:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

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Why?

What's the reason behind this edit? The url listed before lists the exact same color information? Corky 01:08, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: The reason why I changed the URL for the Northern Iowa Panthers at Module:College color/data is because the current URL comes straight from the UNI Panthers' athletic website. So, in a sense, it is an official URL reference, and should thus be used at the module. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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Tennessee Titans colors

Thanks for the new link - looks like you've found contradicting sources. The team says one thing, the league says something slightly different. I think the team is the slightly better source here, as stewards of their own identity, but didn't want to make the change without talking first. What do you think - team or league? SixFourThree (talk) 13:46, 29 March 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

@SixFourThree: Why not both? The way I see it, let's leave the references in the infobox alone, for now. I don't believe that the Titans are going to drastically change their club colors, so let's leave both URL references in the infobox. The club's media guide and the reference from the National Football League (NFL)'s Record and Fact Book are not substantially that different. Let's wait until the club releases its media guide and the NFL releases its updated Record and Fact Book for the 2018 NFL season. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:42, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with including both references, it's just that they list different color names and in different orders. I think the team's designations should receive more weight than the league's. But you raise a good point; new uniforms are coming and with them possibly new colors. When those are unveiled, and the 2018 media guides and released, we'll see if there is still a conflict. If so, which one do you think should be favored? SixFourThree (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:08, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@SixFourThree: I don't know yet. I guess we'll have to wait and see until after the Titans' new uniforms are unveiled and the team's media guide and the NFL's Record and Fact Book are released. That's all I can say about it for now. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 20:14, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

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Non-free images without rationale

I noticed that you had added File:NBA Playoffs logo new.png to 2018 NBA Playoffs. I had to remove the image because there is no fair use rationale on the file description page for use on "2018 NBA Playoffs". Even though anyone could add a rationale, I still would not add the file even with the second rationale because I believe it would fail WP:NFCC#3a, which says that "Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information", since the same logo will likely be used again and again at least for the next several years. Thank you. — MRD2014 ^Talk 02:07, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

@MRD2014: OK, thank you for bringing this to my attention. I guess I will spend some time reading up on WP:NFCC#3a. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:31, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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Crowdless Game

Thanks for doing what you did with that article and saving me some work! Would you be OK if I included you as a creator on the DYK nomination? (my idea is to have it on the Main Page Sunday, the three-year anniversary of the game). Daniel Case (talk) 06:26, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Daniel Case: Yes, that would be OK with me. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:15, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for 2015 White Sox–Orioles crowdless game

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File uploading

File:Anaheim Ducks wordmark logo.png is not a non-free file. It cannot be non-free because it is just letters. Files like this should be uploaded on Wikimedia Commons as they are public domain material. Otherwise uploading it as non-free would put the file in violations of WP:NFCC#8 as non-free files can only be used in one article. Corky 01:58, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, I figured I would check your other uploads and there are quite a few that need to be converted to Public Domain licensing. Corky 01:59, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: OK, thank you for letting me know about this. I guess if you want, you could go ahead and convert these files to Public Domain licensing and then let me know so I can tag each one that has been converted for deletion in the future. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:50, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

That's not my job to convert it. You made the error, you need to fix it. Once converted to {{Information}} and {{PD-text}}, you can tag them with {{Copy to Wikimedia Commons}}. Corky 00:16, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Recent NBA colors updates

Hey. I saw that you updated several colors for old teams as can be seen here. I would like to know where to locate these logos in the NBA website? I already figured a way out to locate them by changing numbers and letters in the address bar, but that is quite boring. – Sabbatino (talk) 12:58, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Here's how I did that. I went to stats.nba.com/scores I then clicked on the calendar date and selected a random date to find a day when an old NBA team played a game. For example, to find out the HTML color codes for the San Diego Clippers, I clicked on the calendar date for March 30, 1984 (the URL for that game is found here). I then right-clicked on the logo and selected "Open image in new tab" (sic) in Google Chrome. That led me to this URL. Once there, I right-clicked on a color and selected "Inspect". The HTML color code is found under the "path fill" line for each specific color. I hope this helps. If you have any further questions, feel free to leave another message on my talk page, and I will do my best to respond as soon as possible. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 20:54, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. However, I only asked for the logos' destinations in the website. I do not care about the colors as I use programs to find out the codes when I need it. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:44, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: OK, I understand. All I can tell you is that not all historical NBA team logos are available at Stats.NBA.com. All I did was check for a random date in the calendar, and then go from there. I think the best advice I can give is to use this URL as an example template, figure out which year a historical team played, and its three-letter abbreviation code. The example URL I listed above is for the 1995–96 Seattle SuperSonics season. I believe that you just have to know the three-letter abbreviation code and the year a specific team played to find the logo in question. Also, I would use Google Image search and type "(specific historical team) logo nba.com" in the search box. That's what I have also done. Feel free to leave another message if you have any further questions, and I will do my best to help. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I already figured out that not all old logos are there as I did some searching yesterday. And I figured out the changing of the address in the bar thing before I wrote to you. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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Lightning–Panthers rivalry

Firstly, I wanted to thank you for all your improvements to the page Governor's Cup (Florida). However I did want to ask about the shade of blue you are using for the Lightning in results table. As an avid TBL fan that has attended many games, I can categorically say that the shade of blue currently in their uniform is not anything close to the navy blue you switched to in the table. It's actually much closer to a royal blue, but a bit darker/richer than that. I understand that you might be going by a standard set elsewhere by another editor, but even with that in mind it doesn't really meet the eye-test. For my part, I don't plan on switching it on you, b/c that would be the pettiest of edit wars to get into. I'm just asking that you revisit the color choice. Kind regards and happy editing -Creativewill (talk) 16:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Creativewill: The only reason why I used  #00205B  is because I found a URL web page from NHL.com that uses that specific HTML color code. The URL is found here (right-click on the headline text and select 'Inspect' in Google Chrome). If you can find a better NHL.com URL that specifies the exact HTML color code the Lightning use, then be my guest and feel free to update all relevant templates and the main Lightning article. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

NFL Color Template Updates

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Each team is listed as an array of the format ["team name"] = {"primary color", "secondary color", "tertiary color", "alternative primary", "alternative secondary"}. Alternative names are indicated using ["team alternative name"] = "team name" Years are listed using XXXXthruXXXX notation, and the module will take care of translating both the |year= parameter as well as the the deprecated XXthruXX notation. All colors are listed as hex-formatted colors with the # sign, as the module will take care of the formatting currently done for the various subtemplates (i.e. adding "background:" or "color:" or "/**/").

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User page template on your user page

Thanks for your attempts to improve Wikipedia. I'm not sure why you're adjusting infobox spacing, but that's a different issue. I came to suggest that it might be a good idea to put a {{User page}} (or similar) on your user page since it looks a lot like an article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: How do I put {{User page}} on my user page? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:14, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Looks like you figured it out. Nice. I seem to recall that there's also a template for automatically reporting your edit count, but I can't recall what or where it is. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:21, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Unexplained changes and logos

There was no reason listed as to your removal of colors for NBC templates, therefore I've reverted them. I have also removed the abc news logo from the template due to it being non-free and not in the public domain. Corky 06:12, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

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@B-bot: OK, I have tagged this file for speedy deletion using Template:Db-g7. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:03, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

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Maryland colors...

This is all I am going to say. Still the same colors on the new website. Corky 01:42, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: I only changed the colors for Maryland because the previous URL source reference had expired (404 error). Feel free to revert my changes if you can find a URL reference that's official that spells out the colors as they were before. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:58, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Yet you had no problem a year ago. I realize the url was outdated, but it is pretty evident that they did not change. There was no official url for when we changed the colors a year ago - we just a PMS number that the media guides use (and still use if you look on the website). I've updated the url to this. Please make up your mind on how you're going to update colors. Corky 02:18, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: Yes, you're correct. No, Maryland's colors did not change. All I wanted to do was replace the outdated and expired URL reference(s). I'm OK with how it's rendered now for all pages and templates involved. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:34, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Navboxes

border=2 is not needed in the infoboxes. It is automatically set to 2px. Corky 00:32, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

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Inter Miami C.F.

Thank you for the move. Can you help move it to "Inter Miami CF", as it was originally? The club doesn't use the periods, and the standard for MLS articles is not to put periods after "FC" or "SC", I don't know why they were added in the last page move. Thanks again! 21:14, 12 September 2018 (UTC)SixFourThree

Houston Astros division titles

hey I think we really need to fix the division titles separate, because it's different divisions, like instead of NL Central/West Division titles it can be

NL West Division titles (3) 1986, 1981, 1980. NL Central Division titles (4) 2001, 1999, 1998, 1999. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller (talk • contribs) 21:04, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

hey hello? The Speller (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

the NL West and NL Central is separate, it'll be easier for people when they look at the division titles separate instead of both all together because then some people would wanna know which one is west and central The Speller (talk) 19:50, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@The Speller: Yes, I see the messages you have left me on my talk page. I understand that you want to list the NL West and NL Central division championships as separate for the Houston Astros. I have been incredibly busy with my work in real life, which is why I have not had a chance to reply to your messages until now. I have looked at Template:Infobox MLB, and if you can find a way to list the division titles as separate without getting an error message for duplicate data in the misc5 and OTHER DIV TITLES fields of the template, then go ahead. Feel free to revert my edits. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:40, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

@The Speller: It looks like User:Zepheral has addressed your issues in this edit. You should thank them for that edit. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:45, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) User:Zepheral has added extra parameters to Template:Infobox MLB here which should solve the issue. - BilCat (talk) 02:52, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Oops, I replied to an old view, and missed your reply which mine duplicated. - BilCat (talk) 02:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

yeah I think I already thanked it yesterday — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Speller (talk • contribs) 16:49, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

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Not sure you saw the first comment. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

First, there are WP:NOTBROKEN issues. Also, there's no need to link the city and state (or province if were planning to apply this to Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver). Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:01, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: Yes, I saw the first comment. I understand now why you reverted me twice. I guess I only wanted the formatting changed in the banner header section. It was inconsistent. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 07:12, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Miami Marlins

Can you check the talk page for the Miami marlins about colors? I’m on my tablet and I haven’t seen anything that says they’ve changed colors. Thanks, Corky 04:12, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: I'm looking at the Miami Marlins' website right now. It does not look like the team has changed their logo or color scheme just yet. I also checked Talk:Miami Marlins, and added my own personal response. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I don’t do a lot with MLB teams on here, so I thought you’d be the contact to check with. Corky 19:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

And, you check mlb teams more regularly than I do! Corky 19:23, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: You're welcome. Also, it looks like the Marlins will be unveiling their new logo and color scheme on Thursday, November 15, per the team's Twitter account. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for looking into this situation. I don't mess with color schemes at all, it being beyond my expertise. The OP on the Marlins talk page is probably quite young, and is exited about the new scheme, but has little experience with WP's policies, especially WP:CRYSTAL. It's good to have other experienced editors watching the situation. Thanks again. - BilCat (talk) 19:46, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Boston Celtics' colors

What are your reasons for changing the Celtics' colors? That NBA.com source only mentions that those colors are part of the new "City Edition" uniform and does not say anything about the changing of team's color scheme. This and this show more colors than you imply on listing. I thought about looking for any information regarding the colors in the 2018–19 official NBA guide but had no luck. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: You are 100% correct. My reasons for changing were mainly because of the NBA.com article that referenced the Boston Celtics' new City Edition Nike jersey, but I have now self-reverted the colors in the infobox of the Boston Celtics article back to where they were, per this edit diff. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:03, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting to the officially listed colors. However, the Celtics' Reproduction and Guideline sheet also lists "beige" as the team's color, but I am not sure if it is used anywhere and if it should be added to the infobox. And the order is also incorrectly listed if we go by this source. – Sabbatino (talk) 12:27, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for the work you put into 2018–19 NFC Championship Game. While I agree with the title you renamed it to, I moved it back to the old title for now since it's still up for debate, and I didn't want to officially change the title unless there's a consensus. Just wanted to invite you to the discussion page so you can share your thoughts. Regards --WuTang94 (talk) 16:49, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@WuTang94: OK, thanks for letting me know. I now have to update the target links for all templates involved at that page. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

@Charlesaaronthompson: It's not to late to change it back though! If you're willing, please go to the discussion page and vote Agree to change the title back. --WuTang94 (talk) 04:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

NHL (also NBA) cities in infoboxes and tables

Please do not remove the state from the team's city as you did in the New York Rangers' and New York Islanders' infoboxes and the the NHL's page. This is the standard for NHL and NBA pages. In addition, there was a user in the past who was running around using AWB doing the exact same thing and he got blocked several times for ignoring other users. – Sabbatino (talk) 04:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: OK, I admit to and apologize for doing it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I have now restored the state name for New York State as part of the wiki-link piping for the location fields in the infoboxes of the teams' and leagues' respective articles. I have done this as part of an effort to reduce the amount of excessive wiki-link piping in the location fields in the infoboxes. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Thank you for reminding me what the consensus was for the |location= field in the infobox of the Brooklyn Nets article, per this edit diff. Honestly, I was only trying to make a good faith edit in order to bring the Nets' article into line with other New York City area sports team articles, but I guess I must have forgotten what the consensus was. IMO, it's too complicated to list the boroughs in the |location= field, unless there's apparently a specific consensus that has been reached by all editors involved. Should we poll other editors to gain a consensus for the |location= field in the infobox for the New York Islanders article as well? I'm only asking because apparently, the Islanders also play the majority of their NHL ice hockey games at the Barclays Center. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:42, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

There is no need to apologize or write lengthy messages justifying your actions when there is nothing controversial about it. Moving on to the Islanders' question, the difference between the Nets and Islanders in this instance is that the infoboxes used for NBA and NHL pages are different and they have different parameters |location= for the NBA and |city= for the NHL. I remember asking at WT:NHL or the Islanders' talk page about it and editors were in favor of listing "New York City, New York" for the Islanders since Brooklyn is not a city and the parameter at ice hockey's infobox is for city. I do not think that the consensus would change this time so it is better not to waste time asking about it (of course you can do it if you want). – Sabbatino (talk) 05:48, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: OK, thanks again for explaining to me what the current consensus is among other editors regarding the |location= field in NHL team articles. As far as I'm concerned, I'm OK with the consensus as-is, and I'm also OK with how it's spelled out in the first few paragraphs of the New York Islanders article as it currently is. I won't waste time asking other editors about trying to change the consensus. I'll promise to leave it alone. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

My mistake. It is the other way around. It is |location= for the NBA and |city= for the NHL infoboxes. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:02, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

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Publisher in citations

I did a partial revert on some of your citation formatting at 2019 NBA Finals. Per {{cite news}}, we typically do not specify |publisher= when it closely duplicates the work's name e.g. The New York Times Company for The New York Times. Also, when publisher is specified, designations like "Ltd", "Inc.", or "GmbH" are not included e.g. ESPN Internet Ventures, LLC. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 06:55, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

For your more recent edits such as this, a listed website like stats.nba.com does not need a redundant publisher of NBA, and you are still adding unneeeded LLC there. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 01:40, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bagumba: Pray tell, what exactly is wrong with listing "NBA Media Ventures, LLC" as the publisher in the inline citations? I'm not about to just list the website as NBA.com, so I guess I'll just list the publisher only instead from now on. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I reckon you missed the documentation. I've extracted it verbatim: Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work (for example, The New York Times Co. publishes The New York Times newspaper, so there is no reason to name the publisher)—Bagumba (talk) 00:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Changing references to NBA.com

Please don't change reliable URLs to AP recaps, merely to have them point to the same content on NBA.com instead, such as this edit of yours on 2019 NBA Finals. First of all, it's unnecessary churn. Secondly, and perhaps more important, game URLs from NBA.com work differently depending on what country you are accessing it from, or perhaps whether you have League Pass or not. You might not have been aware, but this was brought up before at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_31#Broad_pattern_of_editing_in_a_manner_that_is_counter_to_WP:V (see towards bottom). Thanks for your understanding.—Bagumba (talk) 18:42, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bagumba: The only reason why I'm doing that is because I don't want the box score sections in the game summaries field to list URL references from ESPN.com. ESPN.com is NOT the official website of the NBA, so we should use NBA.com as the URL sources for box scores in that section. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I only mentioned recaps. I said nothing about boxscores.—Bagumba (talk) 00:12, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

References

What's your obsession over having references a certain way? They are perfectly fine the way I had them. Also, Xavier's colors are Navy Blue, Gray, and White (you'll find this in either their media guides or Quick Facts), please check before you switch them next time. Corky 21:46, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

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Wake Forest

Read the reference before you revert. It shows  #CEB888  as its new color. Before it listed the darker gold, however they didn’t change the picture for it. I know what I’m doing. You can’t always trust the logos as they don’t always list the color code they list for their style guides. Corky 07:26, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

And Iowa State... not sure how many times we have to tell you but we don't go by the branding color names. We go by what's in their media guides. This is getting old... Corky 01:54, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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Raiders Colors

All sources say Black is the main color, all of their uniforms, media, and apparel have mostly Black, “Silver and Black” is just a nickname, nothing more. SportsFan007 (talk) 22:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@SportsFan007: Black is only the main color of their primary uniform. Silver is listed as the team's first color, per the club's media guide. Just because the Raiders relocated to Las Vegas does not mean that the primary color listed first should be black. Now, I don't want to engage in an edit-war with you over this, but please stop changing the primary color order for the colors in the infobox of the Las Vegas Raiders article. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: Care to engage in this discussion? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:10, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@Charlesaaronthompson: I don’t see any mention of team colors in the media guide, nevertheless, listing order means absolutely nothing. @Sabbatino and Tom Danson: can you say anything about this? SportsFan007 (talk) 22:22, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@SportsFan007: Look under the Quick Facts section on page 9 of the club's media guide reference I linked to earlier. Also, look at page 117 of the 2019 NFL Record and Fact Book. That reference clearly states "Team Colors: Silver and Black". Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:29, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

If personally go black and silver, but that’s just me. I don’t think it’s the same as college where the school colors should be in order. Black and silver just sounds better. Corky 03:38, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

The situation with the Raiders' colors is tricky. They list "silver and black", but I have seen reports from Al Davis itself that the team's colors are "black and silver". In addition, silver is hardly used by the Raiders anywhere (merchandise, social media, etc). – Sabbatino (talk) 13:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Care to find a direct URL reference from the Raiders that says that the team's colors are "black and silver"–in that order? AFAIK, "Silver and Black" is not just a nickname–it's their official team color order, per the team's media guide & the NFL Record and Fact Book references I have linked to earlier in this discussion. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Miami Dolphins colors

Hi, why did you change back the Dolphins' font color to white? The white on aqua does not meet WP:CONTRAST, which is why we settled on black text on aqua background at the time. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:53, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

And you changed the Broncos colors back here despite the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League/Archive_17#HTML_color_codes. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: I did all that because it's obvious that orange is the Denver Broncos' primary color, and I thought that the main reason why it was orange at Module:Gridiron color/data was to reflect the club's primary jersey color. However, you are right, and I have now reverted back the color codes so that navy blue is the primary color, in order to meet WP:CONTRAST guidelines regarding accessibility. Another discussion is needed for the Miami Dolphins. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, and I agree that we need to discuss the Dolphins' colors further. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:13, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I have started a discussion here with possible color combinations to use. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I pointed you to the discussion at WT:NFL above to discuss the Dolphins' colors, you chose not to discuss, a discussion was had with other editors, and a consensus was formed to change the color scheme. I implemented the changes per that discussion, and you've reverted my changes. Either revert your reversions per the consensus at WT:NFL or discuss your rationale there. This is a collaborative encyclopedia, and we need to work together to find an appropriate solution for everyone. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:03, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: I have now commented on the discussion over at WT:NFL. Personally, I vote in favor of Option 1 (aqua background, black text, orange border color). Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Broncos colors

This is now the tenth time in the past three months (and sixth time this month alone) that you've changed the colors on Template:Denver Broncos roster. Please do not change the colors again, the current version is the preferred one based on the previous discussion at WT:NFL linked above. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: Yes, I know. I keep changing the color code formatting for the Denver Broncos because I wanted to somehow show that  orange  was the club's primary color. However, I do realize how hard it is for color-blind readers to see white text on an orange background. I understand that the whole point of changing the colors was to make them meet WP:CONTRAST guidelines regarding accessibility, especially for our color-blind readers. I'll promise to stop changing the colors. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: Yes, I know I said I would promise to stop changing the colors, but I have now once again changed the color code formatting for the Denver Broncos. Orange is their primary color. My justification for making this change is this: if we allow color text in the title for one NFL team, then we can and should allow it for all other teams who use a color such as aqua or orange. The color codes are WP:CONTRAST compliant, as I have ensured they will be. My sources for the Broncos' use of orange as its predominant color is from the team itself, which can be found at DenverBroncos.com and also the club's 2019 media guide. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Discuss with WT:NFL before changing any more NFL colors. This is frustrating to have discussions about the colors and then have you unilaterally make changes (many, many times) without discussion, in violation of the guidelines you agreed to at Wikipedia:Template editor when you were granted the tool. These are not changes that are of immediate concern that wouldn't warrant a thoughtful discussion with other members of the NFL WikiProject, yet you keep making these decisions on your own. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:44, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Tampa Bay Vipers colors

Hi, it looks like the current Tampa Bay Vipers color scheme isn't accessible per [1].  Tampa Bay Vipers . What do you think it can be changed to? Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:25, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: OK, I have now changed the color codes for the XFL's Tampa Bay Vipers. They are now WP:CONTRAST compliant, per WebAIM.org. The color codes were derived from XFL.com (direct URL link; color codes were extracted using Paint 3D in Windows 10). Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:24, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:26, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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Los Angeles Chargers navy blue color

Hey there, just wanted to let you know it appears the Chargers have fully let go of navy blue as their color scheme. In Module:Gridiron color/data, it should be removed anywhere from the current scheme in the table. (which appears to be one of the last two codes, can't remember the exact name but it is the text color on the secondary color code) and probably replaced with powder blue.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 05:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@GalaxyFighter55: I would change it to powder blue, except for the fact that powder blue text on a yellow background fails WP:CONTRAST guidelines, so that's why we had been using navy blue as the secondary text color code for the Los Angeles Chargers at Module:Gridiron color/data. My reference for powder blue text on a yellow background is found at WebAIM.org. I'll go ahead and change the text color code to black for now, in order to meet WP:CONTRAST guidelines regarding accessibility for color-blind readers. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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? Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: I made these changes because it was my impression that Wikipedia was using white-colored text on a colored background. I'm sorry. I should have tried to reach a consensus first before making any changes. However, my larger point remains: if we are requiring black text for the Miami Dolphins' & Los Angeles Chargers' background colors, then surely we should discuss changing the primary color for the Denver Broncos from  navy blue  to  orange  over at WT:NFL? I mean, I have brought up several times that orange is the Broncos' primary team color. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 20:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

There is no requirement to have white text over a colored background on Wikipedia, but it is preferred that either black or white is used. I would be okay with changing with the Broncos colors to your proposed scheme (and there doesn't appear to be any resistance from WP:NFL per the discussion you started last month), but as I stated at #Broncos colors, you previously changed the Broncos colors back and forth 10 times over the span of three months, and I do not want you changing your mind again in a week or two. If this is the scheme you want, this is it, unless something significant changes regarding policy, a discussion, or the Broncos changing their colors in real life. If you believe it is more important to have the Broncos' primary color be the background color than to have all three of their main colors in the template in some fashion, you may make the change and leave a note in the WT:NFL section that you have made this change. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:16, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: OK. I understand. I understand how frustrating it is on your end and from the viewpoint of other editors that I have previously changed the colors for the Denver Broncos way too frequently. I'm trying to come across as serious here. I really do understand that it is frustrating that I do seem to constantly change my mind repeatedly. On that note, I withdraw my request to change the colors. This is because it appears that the consensus is to leave the color codes as-is. I believe it is more important to ensure that the color codes are WP:CONTRAST-compliant for our color-blind readers than it is to have the Broncos' primary color be the background color. I also believe it's more important to reach consensus with other editors like yourself regarding matters such as this. I'm sorry that I have frustrated you over this. I apologize. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:54, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to ask Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility if "brightness difference" should be considered as a component of WP:CONTRAST. As I explained here, the contrast checker website you cited for the Dolphins colors only "failed" black font because its "brightness difference" was not high enough. White font failed the contrast ratio entirely, but passed the "brightness difference", which is why the website said white font "sort of" meets WCAG, but I do not see anything at WP:ACCESSIBILITY about brightness being a factor here. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion is here to see how the accessibility folks interpret WP:CONTRAST. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

NBA edits

I have two questions. First of all, what is the reason in changing from "team" to "club" one some teams' pages? Secondly, why do you keep changing the Nets' colors? It thought you realized that the change requires consensus per this discussion? – Sabbatino (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: OK, I'll try to address these questions one by one. First, my reasoning in changing the wording from "team" to "club" is that I didn't want to use the same noun repeatedly to describe the subject in question. It has something to do with the Associated Press (AP) style book. Second, I repeatedly changed the colors for the Brooklyn Nets because I wanted to visually show that the team's colors are black and white, and I wanted the colors in the template to reflect the team's actual colors (titlestyle being black background w/white text, basestyle being white background, black text, black border). I reverted it back to where it was because apparently, the WP:CONSENSUS is to have black background w/white text for both the titlestyle and basestyle. Do these explanations help? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

The team/club explanation makes some sense. As for the colors – I am in favor of titlestyle being black/white and basestyle being white/black. But my main concern, which I should have addressed in my initial post, is the constant self-reverting done by yourself (this also includes NFL colors). Please stick to one coloring pattern and stop playing with the "Undo" button. If you are in doubt and know that you are going to revert it the next day then ask in the appropriate projects. Because it really looks silly when you are unsure about the thing yourself and play the "back-and-forth" game. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: I understand and share your concern. For now, there is no reason for me to change the color code formatting once again. Honestly, though, the main reason why I even changed the color codes in the first place was because I was trying to make sure the color codes were accurate and WP:CONTRAST compliant. I promise to abide by the clearly established WP:CONSENSUS, which is how the wiki-code formatting in Template:Brooklyn Nets is at the moment. I also promise to stop playing with the undo button for now regarding this topic. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Would you be okay with it if I changed the color code formatting for the Brooklyn Nets one final time (barring a re-brand or new logos/uniforms) over at Module:Sports color/basketball? I'll hold off unless or until I can obtain WP:CONSENSUS from other editors. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

You should reach a consensus at WT:NBA since nobody owns the modules, templates, pages, etc. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Cleveland Browns

Regarding this edit, the logo slick at NFLCommunications.com (which I believe you have access to) shows #FF3300. Corky 00:22, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

LLC

Just so you know, you don't need to include the "LLC" in the "publisher" parameter of citations. Per Template:cite web/doc, "Corporate designations such as 'Ltd', 'Inc.', or 'GmbH' are not usually included". Although "LLC" is not listed there, it is also a corporate designation and is thus covered by that statement. – PeeJay 06:54, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

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Buccaneers uniforms

Hi Charles, how're you? I'm here again hoping you clear me that point: the Buccaneers uniform I designed (this) was removed from the team article alleging they are "inaccurate" (view edit here), so my question is... why? I designed it based on photos showed at the official Buccaneers website.

May be there were later changes that I haven't noticed of. Could you help me with that? Thanks in advance ! - Fma12 (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

@Fma12: I'm fine. How are you? I would be more than glad to help you clear the point about File:Tampabay buccaneers unif20.png. The main problem with that file is the logo on the helmet. The logo that's currently depicted on the helmet is the same logo the Tampa Bay Buccaneers used from 1997–2013. The Buccaneers currently use this logo from NFL.com as their primary logo. That's the main problem with the uniform file that was uploaded. Does that help? If you have any further questions, please feel free to reply to this message on my talk page. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

@Charlesaaronthompson: Thanks for your kindness and support, as usual. Of course, it helped a lot so I hadn't realised about the different versions of the logo. I'll modify the file in order to have the uniform displayed on the article ASAP. Thanks again, best regards. Fma12 (talk) 00:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

@Fma12: You're welcome. :) Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:15, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

NFL Navbox color schemes

Hello. Yesterday and earlier this week I changed the style of several NFL navboxes. I used 'Gridiron alt primary style' in the |basestyle= and |abovestyle= cells because it gave a nice looking contrast to NFLPrimaryStyle in the |titlestyle= bar. Now all of sudden those two cells have the same style in many of the navboxes. See Template:CardinalsFirstPick and even Template:New York Jets which I never touched. Yesterday and several days before I believe, those lower cells were white with team primary colored text. All Cardinals, Jets and Colts navboxes did the same thing. The reason I'm asking you is I see you made some edits at Module:Gridiron color/data. Do you know what happened? Thank you. --DB1729 (talk) 04:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

@DB1729: Yes, I know what happened. What I have done is reverted back the HTML color codes for the Arizona Cardinals, New York Jets, Indianapolis Colts & other teams back to where they were (primary color in the |titlestyle= bar, and white in the |basestyle=). It should be fixed by now. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Yep, they're fixed. Quick response! Thank you. --DB1729 (talk) 04:25, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

@DB1729: I'm sorry. I have to apologize in advance. I need to change the color codes for the Arizona Cardinals, Indianapolis Colts, New York Jets & other teams back to where they were with the lower cells showing white-colored text with team primary colored backgrounds. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:57, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Why? For how long? and why? --DB1729 (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@DB1729: I'm sorry. I should have explained my rationale earlier. I had changed the color code formatting for the Arizona Cardinals, Indianapolis Colts, New York Jets & other teams so that the background color in the |basestyle= contrasted with the background color in the |titlestyle=. Actually, now that I mention it, I reverted the wiki-code formatting for the team color codes for the teams mentioned earlier so that the background color in the |basestyle= is now white with team colored text. I did this so as to provide a nice contrast between the primary color & white text in the background of the |titlestyle= & the white background & primary team color in the |basestyle=. It does look better this way. I also promise not to tinker with or change it back, unless the teams' themselves change their own color codes in the future. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 16:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed explanation. --DB1729 (talk) 04:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Color change suggestion

I see that you have been flip-flopping on colors, such as with the Brooklyn Nets at Module:Sports color/basketball. I'm not here to argue for one color scheme vs. another. However, I suggest that your edit summary includes a rationale—preferably objective—on why you are changing the color. Then others will know the reason for the change. Perhaps that can also reduce the vacillation. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 06:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bagumba: Yes, all of the above is correct. I understand and agree with your suggestion. From now on, my edit summaries will further explain my preferably objective rationale. The only reason why I had been tinkering with changing the team color code formatting at Module:Gridiron color/data, Module:Sports color/baseball, and Module:Sports color/basketball was because I was trying to design the templates so that the background color for the |titlestyle= contrasted with the background color for the |basestyle=. Having said that, team colored text on a white background is not necessarily easy to see or read in a template, unless a |border= is present also. You're right, though. I will do better to further explain my rationale in my future edit summaries. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 16:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks,—Bagumba (talk) 16:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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@Eagles247: OK, I am sorry that I tried to unilaterally make some changes without re-starting the discussion about them. I am also sorry that I clearly offended you. Is there any way you could please forgive me, and withdraw this complaint? I am sorry. I thought that I clearly explained why I was making these color code changes, but apparently, I didn't explain it enough. Is there any way you could please explain to the administrators that I should be allowed to keep my template editor rights? I will do better to not make any more changes to team color codes over at Module:Gridiron color/data without first engaging in a discussion in the goal of reaching a consensus with you and any other editor. Once again, I'm sorry. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

While checking through your template contribs in regard to the AN/I case I note that you have a thing for imposing corporate colours on Wiki articles with little consideration for MOS: or WP:ACCESSIBILITY.

• 2020-08-13 {{Netflix}} Special:Diff/972607693 reverted by Cabayi
• 2020-07-30 {{Walmart}} Special:Diff/970222724 reverted by Cabayi
• 2019-09-21 {{Hershey}} Special:Diff/917026600 reverted by Cabayi
• 2019-09-04 {{Dodge}}} Special:Diff/913912861 self reverted
• 2019-07-11 {{McDonald's}} Special:Diff/893196540/905834169 reverted by Frietjes
• 2019-06-22 {{ESPN}} Special:Diff/902983385 reverted by Frietjes
• 2019-06-14 {{Oracle}} Special:Diff/901761596 reverted by Michael Boy Jordan
• 2019-03-13 {{Home Depot}} Special:Diff/887628911 reverted by Frietjes
• 2019-03-10 {{UPS}} Special:Diff/887027748 reverted by Frietjes
• 2018-03-01 {{Yum!}} Special:Diff/828229526 reverted by Oknazevad
• 2017-02-26 {{KFC}} Special:Diff/767482598
• 2016-04-19 {{Adobe Inc.}} Special:Diff/716110060 reverted by Wonderfl

They have been almost universally reverted so I ask, why do you persist?

You regularly leave an edit summary of "I updated the wiki-code formatting in the template." which, given that you're leaving this summary on templates, tells the reader almost nothing about your edit.

None of this shows a misuse of the TPE right, but it gives me pause for concern. -- Cabayi (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cabayi: The reason why I have tried to insert corporate color code formatting in these templates was because I wanted to demonstrate that each corporate company had official branding colors, and I tried to do the best I could to make sure that the corporate color code formatting complied with our WP:CONTRAST guidelines. Hindsight is 20/20, so I can clearly see now that I was the only editor who wanted to make these changes, which apparently went against WP:MOS or WP:ACCESSIBILITY. My question is this: what would you want me to leave in the edit summaries? Honestly, when I tried to make these corporate color code formatting changes, I couldn't think of anything else to say in the edit summary. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:58, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cabayi: One question I have is this: why can't Wikipedia use corporate color code formatting? Why not? Please explain why we cannot or should not use corporate color code formatting in these templates. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I know you asked Cabayi and not me but ... a useful edit summary for those edits might be something like "changed colors to match corporate brand colors". As to why not, IMO it's not that we can't use the "official" colors, it's about how we use them, or more specifically, where. It's very difficult to do white or black text on "official" background colors and comply with WP:CONTRAST. Most official colors don't make good background colors for text. However, there are other ways to incorporate official colors in the templates, while still complying with accessibility guidelines. I don't remember which sport -- I thought it was NFL football but maybe it was association football - but I distinctly remember this coming up recently (2020) for some group of team templates, and some compromise was struck where the team colors were shown on the templates but in a way that complied with accessibility guidelines. Whatever they did is probably an example to follow. Sorry I can't be more specific but I'm going off memory, maybe if you search or ask around you will find the compromise I'm thinking of. Hope this helped. Lev!vich 06:11, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd be a little more blunt than Levivich - it's because we're creating a Wikipedia article about the company, not a piece of promotional material put out by the company. What looks good 15cm large on the side of a truck or over a shop door doesn't necessarily look anywhere near good at 15 pixels large on a screen. MOS: over-rides the corporate style guide every time. Cabayi (talk) 18:25, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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Module:Sports color/basketball

Why did you restore the colors for the national teams at Module:Sports color/basketball? They are not used anywhere. –Sabbatino (talk) 05:58, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Actually, I disagree. For example, Template:United States men's national basketball team uses the color codes derived from Module:Sports color/basketball. That's one reason why I restored the colors for the national basketball teams at that module. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 07:46, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

United States national basketball team is the only team that has a page for Olympic or World Cup teams (the aforementioned template included). None of the other countries have that. It is double standards to have a different treatment for one country. – Sabbatino (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: OK, I have now removed the colors for the national teams over at Module:Sports color/basketball. I promise not to re-insert them. All I had to do was hard-code the color codes for Template:United States men's national basketball team, seeing as that is the only template that was using the color codes derived from Module:Sports color/basketball. You're right. It is a double standard to have a different treatment for one nation than for all other nations. Perhaps we should re-visit this issue in the future, should more templates for other foreign (non-U.S.) national basketball teams be created, but for now, I hope that what I've done is a satisfactory solution. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:59, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

January 2021

Please stop making test edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Template:NFL Roster template list. It is considered vandalism, which, under Wikipedia policy, can lead to being blocked from editing. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Eagles247: Those are NOT test edits, so therefore it should not be considered vandalism. I changed the wiki-code formatting because I wanted to make sure that the color codes over at Template:NFL roster & Template:NFL Roster template list were visible on ALL templates. YOU are the editor engaging in edit-warring with me right now. Please cease and desist. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

If you are making successive edits to a live template, it's an indication that it's likely not a finished product, and why some might consider them tests. I'd suggest you use the template's sandbox. This was also the feedback you were given when your template editor rights were revoked.[2] —Bagumba (talk) 08:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@Eagles247: My main goal here is to ensure that the HTML color codes are visible for all National Football League (NFL) team templates such as Template:Buffalo Bills roster, for example. We should not be using black text on colored backgrounds, because that defeats the purpose of WP:CONTRAST. If you have any ideas as to how to better wiki-code Template:NFL roster & Template:NFL Roster template list, then I'm willing to hear you out. Be my guest. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Did you even see the finished product of your edits? For the footer, "ARZ" was in red on every roster template, half of the teams shown were in black, and half were in white. Those colors need to be the same for every team on an individual roster template, otherwise it looks like a complete mess. As for your edit warring allegation, I've made exactly one revert at Template:NFL Roster template list ([3]) while you were reverted twice by another editor. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Eagles247: OK, well, I tried to ensure that the colors in the footer were the exact same for every team. I tried to use "[Gridiron primary style]" in the belowstyle over at Template:NFL roster, but obviously that got reverted. I also tried to use "[Gridiron secondary color raw]" in the wiki-code formatting over at Template:NFL Roster template list, but that was reverted also. Both times, my attempts to use what I thought was common sense wiki-code formatting were reverted not only by you, but also by Plastikspork. I give up. Again, I say: if you have a better idea as to how to wiki-code both Template:NFL roster & Template:NFL Roster template list, then please, by all means, be my guest. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

See Template talk:NFL Roster template list? That is normally where edits are discussed, especially when they are controversial, resulting in white on white text! It's not clear what you are trying to do, but whatever it is, it requires more testing. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Plastikspork: Did you not see the edit diff I left over at Template talk:NFL Roster template list? What I'm trying to do is make sure that the HTML color codes in the footer for Template:NFL Roster template list are readable across all National Football League (NFL) team roster templates, such as Template:Buffalo Bills roster, for example. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Bears uniform

Hi, Charlesaaronthompson, I hope you are fine. The Bears uniforms have been updated and also uploaded to their article. Best regards, Fma12 (talk) 13:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Edits to the baseball team infobox

I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with your recent edits to the Template:Infobox baseball team, however your edits broke all of the infoboxes for NPB teams (eg Yomiuri Giants). Before reverting your edits, I wanted to reach out to you and see if you could fix what you did, as I'm not really sure what the purpose of the edits were or how they broke it, exactly. Thanks --Torsodog^Talk 02:27, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I figured it out. For some reason making the "N" in the "name" field lowercase broke the headers. I went ahead and just changed the infoboxes on the pages. --Torsodog^Talk 03:41, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

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@Primefac: So I was granted the template-editor right on a provisional basis, which is set to expire on 19 May 2021 unless I re-apply, correct? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Barring early removal for inappropriate use, correct. Primefac (talk) 23:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Module:College color/data edits

What was the purpose of adding, then removing, then re-adding, followed by removal of the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl colors? This is what other users complained about when you were stripped of your rights... Corky 03:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: I'll be straight up honest: I was trying to add entries for the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl to Module:College color/data so that I would not have to manually hard-code the HTML color codes over at Template:Orange Bowl navbox & Template:Sugar Bowl navbox. When I thought I had entered in the wiki-code formatting properly, it seemed to mess up the wiki-code formatting for the entire module (as in, it seemed to remove the documentation). I should have tested my proposed edits first over at Module:College color/data/sandbox. That's on me. I will do better. By the way, I would like to ask if there is any way you would be so kind as to please help me out with entering in the wiki-code formatting for the entries for the Orange Bowl & Sugar Bowl over at Module:College color/data? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

That’s all we ask. You certainly don’t want them stripped again, so if I were you I’d be using that sandbox. I will take a look at it tonight when I get home and see why it’s causing an issue. Corky 00:40, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: OK, sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, it sounds like I should be experimenting more with my proposed wiki-code formatting changes in the sandbox first until I get it finalized, and then only one edit at the protected module. I plan to do everything in my power to keep my template-editor rights. I certainly don't want them revoked again, that's for sure. Thanks for your explanations and your help. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 03:53, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I've added the Orange Bowl, however it's still not liking the Sugar Bowl. I will work on it again tonight. Corky 19:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Should be fixed now and Sugar Bowl was added. I went with blue instead of grey because of accessibility. Corky 00:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: OK. Thank you for helping me with this! I greatly appreciate it. I understand why you went with blue, and I'm okay with it. The only reason why I went with grey was because that is the color of the Sugar Bowl trophy in the logo. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:34, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Visibility issue on Jaguars draft navboxes

Hello. At the bottom of Template:Jaguars2021DraftPicks the links to the previous years (1995 through 2008) are there, but invisible. They are black text on a black background. This is true for all the Jags draft templates from 2009-present. Not sure how to fix it.

Nor am I happy to find out this. --DB1729 (talk) 18:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

It appears now that maybe this had nothing to do with you; and you certainly deserved the benefit of the doubt from the beginning. Sorry for that touch of snark.

By the way the problem has been fixed:) --DB1729 (talk) 22:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

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Greetings. I was curious how you changed the footer colors for Template:1980 Philadelphia Phillies. How did you find that maroon color? Is there a resource page with all the colors you can use for templates? Could you please leave me a message telling me more about this? Thank you so much. Jgwilliams873 (talk) 15:23, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jgwilliams873: OK, so I found that maroon color for the 1980 Philadelphia Phillies from MLB.com. From there, I scrolled down the webpage until I found the club's logo for the year 1980. In Microsoft Edge Chromium edition, I then right-clicked on the Phillies' maroon "P" logo and selected "Open image in new tab". That took me to this page from MLB.com. I then clicked on the maroon background color and selected "Inspect". That's what told me that the exact correct color shade for Phillies' maroon is  #6F263D . The best page to find old archived Major League Baseball (MLB) team logos that I have personally found is at MLB.com/Postseason/History/World-Series. If you have any questions, feel free to leave me another message. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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@Primefac: OK. I will be more careful to not make repeated changes over at Module:Sports color/basketball. I understand that it raises questions about the disruption of changes. I was actually just headed over to Module:Sports color/basketball to revert back all the changes I have made for the Boston Celtics, LA Clippers & Memphis Grizzlies, per the Eastern Conference Composite Sheet & the Western Conference Composite Sheet. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@Primefac: OK, I have now reverted back the previous HTML color codes for the Boston Celtics, LA Clippers & Memphis Grizzlies back to where they were previously, per each club's Reproduction & Usage Guideline Sheet. Unless there are changes made to each team's sheet, I am going to stop tinkering with the color code formatting over at Module:Sports color/basketball. Yes, I'm acutely aware that repeatedly making changes causes disruption. I'm also aware that in the future, I should experiment more with using Module:Sports color/basketball/sandbox before making final changes. That's why I lost the template-editor right in the first place. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

"Cleveland" Charge

Just an FYI, the team you moved as the Cleveland Charge is not yet confirmed by any sources, including the one you are citing. In fact, that cite is why it was named what it was (referred to by the Cavs as Charge NBA G League franchise in the first sentence with Further details on the team name, logos and merchandise information will be announced in the near future in the last paragraph). The team is still using "Charge NBA G League team" the most recent press release. Per WP:NAMECHANGES, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:OFFICIALNAME, the name you moved it from fit the relevant guidelines more accurately. The articles I found that uses "Cleveland Charge" are currently speculative in nature. Thank you, Yosemiter (talk) 17:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Yosemiter: The only reason why I put "Cleveland" in the name as the club's geographic identifier was to ensure that the club's colors showed up in the header of the article. I believe it was an honest mistake on my part. I had apparently mistakenly assumed that because they were planning on playing home games in Cleveland that Cleveland was the club's geographic identifier. I've fixed it now. The article is now at Charge (NBA G League franchise). I've also updated the entry for this club over at Module:Sports color/basketball. I'm sorry. I hope that what I've done to fix it reflects the correct status of the club. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 18:17, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

No worries, if was critically concerned, I would have reverted as needed. Also, the last un-official comment I found from one the Cavs staff is that they will likely name it Cleveland Charge, but the "official-ness" of it is WP:NOTCRYSTAL until everything is approved (probably branding and trademark finalization paperwork). Thanks for your work, Yosemiter (talk) 18:35, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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Uniforms update

Hi, Charlesaaronthompson, how 're you doing? Effectively I bought a new computer, but I've had some problems of software and hardware compatiblities that made me impossible to edit and/or update the uniforms. The point is, all my uniforms had been created with CorelDraw v13 (that runs perfectly on Win 7, but my new PC has Win 10 installed); Unfortunately this version of CD does not run on Win 10 so I had to search another computer to convert my Corel files to previous versions that allow me to edit them on my new PC.

I'm working hard on it so I think it could be solved before the weekend. My aim is to have all ready to edit them and even create new uniforms on my PC. Please, be patient while I try to solve it ASAP. Thanks for your support and confidence! Fma12 (talk) 22:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@Fma12: Thanks for the update! I'm sorry if I put any undue pressure on you. Did you get my earlier talk page message regarding updating File:NO saints uniforms19.png? It's pretty obvious that the New Orleans Saints still wear gold pants and black socks with their white jerseys. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Problems with edit at Template:Detroit Lions general manager navbox

Hello. Can you please review this edit of yours? A few issues I noticed:

• You added Dutch Clark to the template. This appears to be in conflict with his article that states he was the Lions quarterback in 1936 and a player-coach for the Lions in 1937 and 1938. No mention of GM unless I'm missing something. What is your source for the inclusions of both Clark and Graham Smith as GMs?

• Your entries for both Dutch Clark (1936–1938} and Graham Smith (1941–1942} contain curly brackets } at the end instead of the round ). I assume this was a typo / unintentional.

• You added "Formerly the Portsmouth Spartans (1930–1933)" to the above bar. I had removed that last year with the rationale that all the GMs in the navbox are from after the team became the Detroit Lions (true even with your additions).

--DB1729 (talk) 02:11, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@DB1729: My source for adding Dutch Clark & Graham Smith to the list of Detroit Lions general managers comes from Pro-Football-Reference.com, which is found here. He was also the Lions' head coach in 1937 & 1938, per Pro-Football-Reference.com & the 2021 Detroit Lions Media Guide. Yes, the entries that added curly brackets were typos and unintentional. Hopefully, you've fixed those. Furthermore, I restored the "Formerly the Portsmouth Spartans (1930–1933)" to the above bar because that is the past history of the club. We should count the history of the Portsmouth Spartans as part of the history of the Detroit Lions, because the Lions organization and the NFL both recognize the Portsmouth team as part of the history of the Lions, per the Lions' 2021 media guide I linked to earlier & also the 2021 Official NFL Record & Fact Book. We include the "Formerly the Portsmouth Spartans (1930–1933)" above bar in Template:Detroit Lions coach navbox. Why can't we recognize it here? My rationale for that is that the team in Portsmouth could not have existed without front office executives making player decisions back from 1930–1933, much like they do today. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanations. I have fixed the typos. Last year I moved the prior names on all the NFL teams navboxes out of the top title bar and into the 'above' bar. Except for on this particular template I simply removed the former name entirely per the rationale stated above, and as part of the overall effort to clean up the title bars. I can't remember if removing the mention entirely was solely my idea or suggested from another editor. In any case, I am happy with the current state of the navbox.

In light of the source you provided, seems changes to at least the Dutch Clark article are now in order. I may take care of that tomorrow.

Thank you for your time and efforts. DB1729 (talk) 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I have added some points on Dutch Clark's administrative career to his page.[4] Final note: While doing so, I noticed the source titles Detroit Lions Executives & Owners and Cleveland/LA/St. Louis Rams Executives & Owners. Those Pro-Football-Reference.com titles are consistent with and support my argument that Portsmouth Spartans should not be mentioned in navboxes that contain no elements from that era. Just something to consider, that is all. Have a great Sunday! (getting ready for kickoff soon;) DB1729 (talk) 16:52, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@DB1729: Thanks for fixing my mistakes. I'm amenable to taking out the above bar that says "Formerly the Portsmouth Spartans (1930–1933) from Template:Detroit Lions general manager navbox, simply because I can't find any article from either NFL.com or Pro-Football-Reference.com that says who the Portsmouth Spartans' general mangers were. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I found this as a result of a Google search. The new Portsmouth franchise hired Harry Doerr as general manager and retained Harry Griffen as head coach. It also goes on to say, The following March, Griffen was demoted to business manager.... DB1729 (talk) 22:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

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Team Colors

Hi there and very nice to meet you. I am working on the Overtime Elite page and am trying to add team colors to the infoboxes but have no idea how. Would be able to assist? Thanks so much. Bankrupt305 (talk) 14:48, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bankrupt305: I will look into it when I get home from my regular full-time job tomorrow. I might add entries for each team over at Module:Sports color/basketball, but I won't have an opportunity to do it until afte I get home from work. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 06:10, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks! Bankrupt305 (talk) 11:15, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Were you able to take a look? Bankrupt305 (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bankrupt305: Yes, I have taken a look at trying to update the wiki-code formatting. I suggest leaving a talk page message on Frietjes' talk page. She is more technically proficient at wiki-code formatting for team rosters than I am. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:38, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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Ok fair enough, however I'm 99.9% certain silver will be added on that sheet seeing as how each uniform kit now displays it. GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 04:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Arizona Coyotes colors

I should remind you that WP:BRD quite clearly says not to re-insert content if you are reverted and start a discussion. The color codes for the Arizona Coyotes that I listed come from the logo in the Coyotes official website (link to logo), while you insist on using the color codes from records.nhl.com (logo from there). The same applies to the Philadelphia Flyers (which you changed also) and every other active NHL team. In addition, your obsession with color codes looks like WP:OWN, because this is not the first time that you do this. – sbaio 18:36, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sbaio: OK. Thank you. You're absolutely right. I'll leave it alone as it currently stands. The guidelines at WP:BRD do spell out that there should be a discussion. I'm OK with leaving it as-is, unless you'd like to have a discussion about it? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 03:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Will you revert to color codes that are in the logos from Coyotes' and Flyers' websites or what did you have in mind? Because your answer is unclear. – sbaio 17:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sbaio: Sorry. I didn't intend to make my answer unclear. I'll revert it back to where the color codes are reflected from the logos on each team's website as soon as possible. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sbaio: OK, it's  Done. I've successfully reverted back the HTML color codes at Module:Sports color/ice hockey & in the respective team articles for the Arizona Coyotes & Philadelphia Flyers. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 05:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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Sounders colors

Please do not change the templates and tables to use blue as the primary color; per the brand statement, green is still the primary color for the team and blue is secondary. SounderBruce 02:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: OK. Will you object if I attempt to place in the URL references regarding the club's color palette? I've already changed it so that green is the primary color. I also tried to ensure that the color codes are WP:CONTRAST compliant, per WebAIM.org. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: Please stop changing back the old HTML color codes. Thank you. The color codes are OFFICIAL, per SoundersFC.com. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:52, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by "URL references", but the contrast for blue-on-green is extremely hard to see. Black text would be preferable, as compliance with basic readability overrules stylistic preferences. I merely fixed the order of the color codes and was not "changing back the old HTML color codes" as you claim. SounderBruce 02:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: OK. The URL references I would like to put into the article are from SoundersFC.com & MLSSoccer.com. Do you object? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 03:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no need to add those links to the article unless new content needs to be cited; secondary sources are preferred and already used. SounderBruce 03:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Module:Sports color/basketball 2023

You have already been told more than once to stop playing with the "Undo" button at Module:Sports color/basketball. You have made the same change regarding Boston Celtics colors almost 30 times since April 2022 and that is very annoying. I suggest you stop or I will have no other option, but to report your behavior. – sbaio 19:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sbaio: OK. Thank you for leaving me this talk page message. Consider it done. I'm done playing with the "undo" button as it is, and I plan to stop making repeated changes. I clearly understand how annoying and frustrating it is to you. I get it. I have finally decided to base the colors off the team's Reproduction and Usage Guideline Sheet found at MediaCentral.NBA.com. However, let me explain why I've made the same changes repeatedly though: my whole rationale, and there just isn't enough characters to explain it in the edit summary at Module:Sports color/basketball, is that I'm trying to find a definitive source from NBA.com that clearly spells out what the team colors for the Boston Celtics are. I finally ended up having to use the archived URL source reference from NBA.com about the team's logo history (found here). The reason why I had been continually changing it repeatedly is because all of the URL sources I find from Celtics.com say that their colors are green and white. However, I feel like the MediaCentral.NBA.com URL source reference should take precedence. Do you agree? Anyway, I won't just keep repeatedly changing it back and forth, and I promise to leave it alone for now. I also promise to do better. I promise to use the sandbox to test changes first in the future. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 02:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm done playing with the "undo" button as it is, and I plan to stop making repeated changes. – this is not the first time that you have repeated this so I do not really believe that it will not happen again after a while. But we will see. Now regarding the colors – we always use the "reproduction and usage guideline sheet" (you know that very well) unless a press release by the team states otherwise. This source does not say anything about green and white being the main colors so the NBA Media Central source is the only reliable source at this point. – sbaio 18:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sbaio: I know. It isn't the first time I've said it, so you have every reason to not believe me. However, please give me an opportunity to change and to demonstrate that I plan to leave the color codes alone over at Module:Sports color/basketball. The other URL source reference I had previously changed to that stated green and white for the Boston Celtics was when the team announced Vistaprint as its' jersey sponsor patch partner. That URL is found here. It's only to be used in the infobox of the Celtics' article to state that the team's main corporate sponsor for its jerseys is Vistaprint, but it does state: "Today, Vistaprint, the marketing and design partner to millions of small businesses, and the 17-time NBA World Champion Boston Celtics announced a multi-year partnership in which Vistaprint becomes the Exclusive Marketing and Design Partner of the Boston Celtics. As part of the partnership, the Vistaprint logo will appear in Celtics signature team colors on the front left shoulder of the Celtics’ game jerseys beginning with the 2020-21 season." It doesn't explicitly state "green and white" as the team colors, but is it just me that draws that conclusion, or is this just WP:OR? Also, yes, I do understand that the NBA Media Central reference should take precedence unless otherwise spelled out explicitly by a specific team's press release. I do know that very well. Finally, do you object to using the archived URL reference for the Celtics' logo history in the infobox, or should it removed? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 03:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sbaio: What do you think about this URL reference from NBA.com? The quote that's relevant to this discussion is this: "As green and white confetti rained down upon his face postgame, Garnett famously screamed, “Anything is possible!” Maybe it's just me, but this is the best URL I can find from NBA.com that spells out that the Boston Celtics' primary team colors are  green  &  white . Would this be convincing enough to change it over at Module:Sports color/basketball? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

It just mentions what colors of confetti were used so it would WP:OR to use it as an official source. – sbaio 03:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sbaio: OK, I understand. WP:OR is not good enough to include it in the infobox. My new & next question to you is this: would you object if I changed the secondary color for the Celtics from  gold  to  black  over at Module:Sports color/basketball? My rationale is as follows: the NBA LockerVision site says "Statement Edition seeks to extend each teams' brand. This Edition often includes an alternate team color and/or a bold execution of the team logo identity, and features the Jordan Brand manufacturer logo." This is found here & here. None of the Celtics' uniforms have gold as a trim color. Furthermore, the Reproduction and Usage Guideline Sheet (found here) lists black as the second color, after  green . I've researched it and can say that I have not yet found any sources that state that gold is the secondary color for the Boston Celtics. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

More bad template edits

I just now saw that you have the most unthinkably extensive history of bad decisions and behavior, and corrective action taken against you, about editing templates. So I have to just echo that here for the record. You added one particular sports facility to the template for the entire top-level metropolitan area which already has "sports". It doesn't get a lot more obvious how inappropriate this idea was, for anybody ever, even for a new user's first edit. But especially after what you've already put everyone through and how much time and frustration you've wasted of how many volunteers for years. — Smuckola(talk) 03:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay so then at another glance, I see more. You just can't stop. All WP:FANCRUFT must be compulsively interlinked. here and here. If I look through your edit history more, how much more WP:TRIVIAl abuse of templates am I going to find or are you going to revert yourself and stop? — Smuckola(talk) 03:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

You linked a song to the Chiefs team template, because the song was played at the stadium once. OMG, that's just desperately unreal. WP:TRIVIA WP:FANCRUFT — Smuckola(talk) 04:16, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Primefac: I don't know if you handle this stuff, but I sure can't! — Smuckola(talk) 04:23, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Smuckola, maybe you should take a step back and have some tea. Yes, these edits are unnecessary, but you are basically shouting at someone for being a little overenthusiastic. I doubt they are intentionally making these edits to be disruptive, and a kind word is better than five paragraphs of angry messages. Primefac (talk) 12:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! That's exactly my perspective. Hindsight is 20/20. I didn't honestly think these edits fell under the category of WP:TRIVIA or WP:FANCRUFT, but now I know better, apparently. Again, I'm sorry. I was not trying to be disruptive. I was simply trying to make edits that I thought were in the best interests of the encyclopedia. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 20:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@Smuckola: OK. I get it. I'm sorry. I'll revert myself and stop. I need to know what other articles you need me to revert so I can stop. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

No. All you just now said to me is admitting that you do not possess the attribute of discernment. And, of perfectly obvious stuff. You can't discern between the required and the WP:TRIVIA. That's up to nobody else. So that means you need to just stop. Period. Wikipedia is not a toy and WP:CIR. — Smuckola(talk) 04:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

OK. Then please help me. Help me become more competent then, per WP:CIR. I already understand that Wikipedia is not a toy. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok I can dig that but I've already blanketed your vicinity with WP:TRIVIA WP:FANCRUFT, and there's the essential WP:OR WP:RS. I always review my work, often obsessively! Every single day, I check my edit history for quality over quantity. That's my personal law. I aim for each edit to be essential and worthy of archiving and shooting into space for the aliens to read and make first contact. Or at least that nobody would ever need to think of reverting it. I re-read many of my edits 10 times each, sometimes for weeks of my history. This is after I've made bazillions of edits and entirely new articles since at least 2013. Maybe you can find a way to join a Wikiproject or task force to provide technical support to existing efforts, because you have some sweet technical chops. There's absolutely no shame in any of what I'm proposing to move forward. People slowly develop skills ancillary to other existing skills. WP:WIKIGNOME — Smuckola(talk) 05:16, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

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@Gonzo fan2007 Go ahead and delete this file, then. Just don't restore the team wordmark logos into the info box at Dez Caught It, please. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 00:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Just wanted to note that uploading screen grabs as window dressing for articles is against the image policy, specifically WP:NFCCP #8. They need to have some encyclopedic value and provide enough benefit to outweigh fair use concerns. There may some argument with some files, but the Catch II is blatant, as you can't even see the football or the catch. Also, the catch itself was unspectacular, what made it famous was when it happened and how it happened. You don't need an image to convey that. I am going to leave the logos alone while the FFDs occur, but if they get deleted, they are going back up. I also encouraged you to start a discussion regarding that disagreement, something I am bewildered you haven't done yet. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007: OK, but if those images get deleted, then no, the logos should not be re-inserted in the infobox. They also don't provide any encyclopedic value whatsoever. Please don't re-insert them back into the infobox after the images are inevitably deleted. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 01:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome to start a discussion on the topic. The articles have been like that for quite some time and you are the one that wants to change it. If you want them changed, then start a discussion and gain consensus on that. Otherwise it's just a content dispute and you saying your opinion matters more than mine. And the logos are encyclopedic, they help identify the teams who played the games. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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@Charlesaaronthompson: Just curious, why should the |website= field for the infobox refs say NHL.com instead of [[National Hockey League]]? Having [[National Hockey League]] in that field is what all the other refs in the article do. XR228 (talk) 23:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@XR228: Because websites use a .com domain suffix. That's why. We know it comes from the league, but websites use a .com suffix, which is why that should be used in the |website= field. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Charlesaaronthompson & @XR228: National Hockey League is perfectly acceptable to enter in the website field, the website field does not have to show an entry that ends in .com or any other website suffix. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

NFL Template Borders

I thought that we already had this discussion, and that you agreed to go to WP:NFL before making any major changes to colors and borders. Did I miss something? Adding borders using background template coding to achieve the same result and still making a fundamental change to templates. Again, please gain consensus before making these types of changes. This is getting a bit absurd. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007: Why are you so vehemently opposed to using borders? Why? It improves the appearance of the templates. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Why are you so vehemently opposed to gaining consensus first? If you remember, others protested this as well and Hey man im josh was the one who reverted all your edits last time. You're editing is becoming disruptive. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Charlesaaronthompson: That's your opinion and there has been pushback against your changes. WP:ILIKEIT is not a valid reason to make edits that are against consensus, so I'll second what @Gonzo fan2007 said regarding being disruptive. You have a responsibility to not make edits that go against consensus, especially as a template editor. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007 and Hey man im josh: OK, fine. I'm still trying to figure out how to change the wiki-code formatting over at Template:Gridiron primary style & Template:Gridiron alt primary style so that they both use the same color data invoked from Template:Gridiron tertiary color raw. Maybe you both want to help me there? I'm mostly trying to make sure that the |border=2 parameter for the Baltimore Ravens template uses  gold  as the |border=2 for both the Template:Gridiron primary style (the |titlestyle=) & Template:Gridiron alt primary style (the |basestyle=). Please help me? I've tried asking over at WT:NFL, but have gotten nowhere. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 19:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe consider not making the border changes that have been pushed back against instead? Hey man im josh (talk) 19:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I have deleted your user page, per your request. However, user talk pages are not eligible under U1. You are welcome to blank your page, if you so wish. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm disappointed to see that, instead of choosing to gain consensus and discuss changes, you're choosing to leave altogether. I hope you'll come back some day and that you'll remember Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, one in which we need to work together towards our shared goal of improving the project. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: I'm only wanting to stay retired because you and User talk:Gonzo_fan2007 are wanting to fight me tooth and nail on every single edit. It's almost as if you two don't want me here. You don't need me. Any edit I attempt to make is fought tooth and nail. That's why I'm retired. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 21:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

We ask you to seek consensus for edits that affect a wide number of pages which we don't see as an improvement. That's not fighting you tooth or nail or trying to chase you away. I'm disappointed you view disagreements the way that you do, but that's life, people don't always agree. The problem though is that you try to push forward regardless. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: Are we not currently having a discussion? What do I need to do to get a WP:CONSENSUS? Seriously, man. Why is there such pushback against my proposed changes? What do I have to do to persuade you or User talk:Gonzo fan2007 differently?Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 23:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: I've only decided to come back to solve this issue. I'm trying to discuss it in good faith. I'll remove the retired tag only if you and User talk:Gonzo fan2007 promise to not fight me tooth and nail on every edit. All I would like to try to do at this point is restore the team templates for all the NFL teams that used a different tertiary color border (using data from Template:Gridiron tertiary color raw) back to where they were previously. Those teams are the Arizona Cardinals, the Baltimore Ravens, the Indianapolis Colts & the New York Jets. The Cardinals & Jets use  black  as their tertiary color, while the Colts use  gray  as their tertiary color & the Ravens use  gold  as their tertiary color. That's it. I'm not trying to institute |border=2 in the |basestyle= for any other team's template, except for the Cardinals, Ravens, Colts & Jets. Please help me or find someone who can help me institute these changes at Template:Gridiron primary style & Template:Gridiron alt primary style? That's all of what I was trying to do with the edits from Sunday. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

So basically you're saying that if we give you your way and allow you to move forward with edits that us and others at WT:NFL believe are not an improvement you'll stick around? That's... That's just not how Wikipedia works. You don't throw a temper tantrum and have people give you your way just so you won't leave. As I keep mentioning, start a discussion at WT:NFL to get consensus. Last time it was brought up your changes were opposed. It's immature and inappropriate to keep trying to make changes that have been opposed. Start discussions, make your point, communicate. Whatever you infer is on you, but I can guarantee you've inappropriately assumed some intentions that Gonzo and I are absolutely not approaching the situation with. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: And I've tried to start a discussion at WT:NFL (that's found here). I've tried so very hard to make my point and communicate when engaged in a discussion. All I'm asking is for you and Gonzo to just comment at WT:NFL to explain why you both think my proposed changes are not an improvement. That's all I'm asking for at the moment. Would you please be willing to comment and explain how it would affect a wide range of pages and why you feel like it would not be an improvement aesthetically, and why you're opposed to it? Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Noting that your name change is certainly an overreaction to your changes being opposed. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Some general thoughts:

• Charles, your actions over the last 18 hours are petulant and unproductive for general discourse. They are making it difficult to engage with you in good faith.
• You had been warned in multiple prior discussions that your constant tinkering with template colors, borders and the like are disruptive.
• You had been asked to engage in discussion prior to making these types of edits.
• You waited a month and then made an edit that had the affect of your previous edit without discussing it first: adding a green border to {{Green Bay Packers}}.
• Multiple editors, including Hey man im josh disagreed with your edit last and reverted you: per WP:BRD the impetus is now on your to gather consensus on your proposed changes. If you can't gather consensus, regardless of how much you think your edit is what is best, you do not get to make that change. Every editor on Wikipedia has faced this reality over and over. You are no different, nor are you afforded special privileges.
• After you were reverted and engaged, you feigned a dramatic retirement, which when that did not cause the reaction you wanted, you then unretired and changed your user name in a blatant attempt to provoke anger and make a personal attack.
• You are now complaining about how we are not engaging with you in discussion, yet you have proven yourself incapable of engaging in good faith with us. Your actions show this.

If this type of behavior continues, the next step would be revoking your template editor rights, which I am borderline ready to do now, and then proposed a topic ban for you on editing template designs, and then block. Please take a few moments, after changing your user name, to stop and think about what you want from being here at Wikipedia and if you are willing to follow the rules and guidelines laid out here to be a productive editor. You have obviously made countless positive contributions to Wikipedia that are valued. Yet disruption wastes all of our time. Instead of writing articles about the Packers, I have been engaged in this discussion. If you don't believe you can continue in a positive way here, then please do consider editing in different areas of Wikipedia or retirement. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I too was considering their template editor permissions, but I was concerned I was too involved to do so. Their history shows difficulty in dispute resolution, specifically regarding templates. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

OK. I'm sorry if I came across as petulant and disruptive. I'm just frustrated that it seems like from my perspective that I've tried to engage and I've tried to do what was asked to engage in a discussion and it seems like I'm being ignored by you both. I understand better now that I simply can't just force through any changes without discussion first. I totally get that. My question is how either one of you think that I should try to demonstrate that I'm willing to engage in good faith for this discussion at WT:NFL over the template border formatting? I understand that there's opposition to my proposed changes. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, since I know that I'll never reach WP:CONSENSUS to try to change it the way I'd like to see it changed; I'm simply asking to try to understand why you both think my proposed changes would negatively affect the pages affected by my proposed changes and why you both don't think it would be an improvement. Is that fair? IHateOtherEditors1 (talk) 02:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, hopefully some time has done everyone good. My recommendation would be to post at WP:NFL your recommendation. Show the template as it currently looks and then show your proposed change. Discuss why you want to make this change and talk about if there are any unintended consequences. If you get support, then make the chnage. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007: I've revoked template editor. It's clear, both from their block log and the warnings and comments on their user talk page alone, that they appear to be incapable of not edit warring for their preferred version of templates. It's a damn shame, but this pattern goes back years. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

What the hell is your problem man? Why are you so opposed to using Template:Gridiron alt secondary color? CharlesEditor23 (talk) 03:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

My problem? Frankly I could and maybe should have blocked because you continue to edit war. What's clear is your pattern of behaviour and refusal to discuss things has been a problem for a number of years now, but you just plow ahead. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Why are you opposed to using Template:Gridiron alt secondary color? Every other NFL team template uses it in the |above= field. That being said, I'm sorry for WP:Editwarring with you. What do I have to do to get my template editor rights reinstated? That's all I care about at this point in time. CharlesEditor23 (talk) 03:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

OK. I started a new talk page message over at WT:NFL. Care to comment why you're so opposed to using Template:Gridiron alt secondary color in the |above= field of NFL team templates? CharlesEditor23 (talk) 03:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007 @Hey man im josh OK. I realize I was wrong to continue to engage in edit-warring over the wiki-code formatting for NFL team templates. How can I prove that I'm capable of engaging in good faith? I'm trying to do what you've both asked me to do. I'm just frustrated because I feel like I'm being ignored by both of you. I'm sincerely trying to change here. At this point, all I want is to regain my template editor rights again. I'm sorry if I personally attacked either one of you (or both). CharlesEditor23 (talk) 04:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Your User Name

Please consider this a formal warning regarding your user name. Per our user name policy, WP:ATTACKNAME specifically, your user name is likely to offend other contributors or cause disruption to productive Wikipedia processes or discussions. Generally disregarding the previous discussion and actions that led us here, your user name is prima facie meant to offend, and taking into account everything, it is obviously a personal attack. I'll give you a day to change it before indefinitely blocking you. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007 OK. I'm at work right now and can't do anything about submitting a username change request until after I get off from my work shift at about 8:00 Mountain Time tonight, when I have access to my PC. Please give me time to submit the name change request please? IHateOtherEditors1 (talk) 21:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gonzo fan2007 OK. I also need time to have the username change request go into effect after I change it. Would that be OK? I need additional time for that, please. IHateOtherEditors1 (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

A block is unecesssry if you are actively working to fix the user name problem. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 00:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

OK. I have now submitted a username rename request to change my username to CharlesEditor23, per here. I'm waiting to get it approved to be changed ASAP. IHateOtherEditors1 (talk) 02:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I have renamed you. @J ansari: I'll politely suggest that it was a bad idea to accept the original rename here, although it was an even worse idea for Charles to request it. Still, all's well that ends well, one hopes. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 06:32, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tamzin Thank you. I just want to say real quick there's not gonna be any more requests for global username rename requests from me for a while, if ever again. Hopefully my new username is not seen or construed as offensive to anyone else. CharlesEditor23 (talk) 06:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Now might be a bad time to mention that "Editor" is banned in usernames on the Arabic Wikipedia. So, I won't hold you to the above if you ever decide you want to start editing in Arabic. :D -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 06:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

They

Regarding your talk page comment of "'They'?", you can refer to Singular they for reference. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 06:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Do you want me here? Do you want me to continue to contribute to Wikipedia? Because it sure seems like Eagles247 doesn't, since he wants to ban me altogether. I'm not trying to be combative; I'm trying to show that my editing behavior in the last 4 years has changed and that I deserve to have the WP:TPE rights. Yes, I understand that my behavior seems to indicate that I've extensively engaged in Edit-warring, and that I've tried to force through edits that go against the WP:CONSENSUS. I really understand better that I need to change. I understand that if I make an edit, and I get reverted, that it needs to be discussed, and no further edits should be made until the discussion is concluded and WP:CONSENSUS is reached. That's what I'm trying to do better at. Some days, it feels like I'm not wanted here, and it feels like every other editor like Eagles247 thinks I'm a nuisance, or they think I only edit to be WP:POINTY. I don't, but that's why I've threatened retirement a few times recently, and that's why I've looked into trying to vanish altogether. CharlesEditor23 (talk) 06:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a crowd-sourced environment, which entails working with others. It could be that you won't impress everyone, but we make decisions collectively, so all that matters is what the overall community thinks. All you can do is work on your own behavior, and then hopefully both you and the community see it as a good match. Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 06:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)