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Honored. Thank you. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Revert

I did explain why; see the edit summary. Please revert yourself and delete your message. Thank you. 86.88.105.173 (talk) 07:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The links come under WP:ELYES and WP:ELMAYBE. Your edit summary do not give an explanation, but rather just a pipe link to WP:EL. Kindly elaborate your reason and then discuss it in the talk page for consensus to remove external links. Thank you. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are responsible for the inclusion, so the burden is on you to get consensus for an exception to the longstanding unambiguous policy. If you disagree with the policy I am happy to discuss that. 86.88.105.173 (talk) 07:26, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully disagree. Kindly go through the page history to see who is the editor responsible for the inclusion. And as I said again, the links are under WP:ELYES and WP:ELMAYBE. I just reverted your removal under those guidelines. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk)`
According to the page history, you are the editor who is responsible for the inclusion of those links because you reverted me after I got rid of 'em. Hope we can agree on that ;-) You mention ELYES and ELMAYBE but have you read ELMIN? And "Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum."? Please start a new topic over at Talk:Miami_Vice_(film) and explain which links you think should be kept and why. You shouldn't have reverted because you are ignoring a very important part of the page you link to. 86.88.105.173 (talk) 07:38, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, WP:ELMIN is there. But kindly go through Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Film#External_links also and understand why a movie title is allowed to have such external links, as this page is under WikiProject Film. Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Herald (talk • contribs)

Unsurprisingly that is just one dude in 2009 being bold. He can't override consensus. 12

Do you want to include an external link to an website about a camera? https://web.archive.org/web/20100325191221/http://www.grassvalley.com/products/viper

Linking to the script is probably copyright infringement so I won't repeat that link here, but do you think that is a good idea?

Do you really want to have a random list of "Articles" with 50% 404s as a subheading of the External links section?

If we would want to link to websites like IMDb, AllMovie, Box Office Mojo and the Internet Movie Cars Database (which is a bad idea because Wikipedia is not intended to promote their websites) we should be using a nice template for that.

But I do not really see the point of linking to IMDb and AllMovie and the Internet Movie Cars Database because we can't even use them as sources because their content is usergenerated and full of errors (see WP:IMDB & WP:ALLMUSIC) 86.88.105.173 (talk) 08:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless, MoS guidelines are to be followed, so you can go ahead a remove the urls you find that do not come under the guidelines. But the whole section, especially when they are linked to the sister projects, IMDB snd others (even though not exactly reliable, still is added in MoS. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:EL is to be followed, and has wide consensus. That one user does not and cannot overrule WP:EL. But I would not be surprised if that is moot because I would not be surprised if you agree with most of the removals except perhaps IMDb, AllMovie, Box Office Mojo and the Internet Movie Cars Database. Is that correct? Which links do you think are worth keeping? 86.88.105.173 (talk) 08:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've made the changes. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:46, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, that is a step in the right direction! Have you seen WP:CONLEVEL? Quote: "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. For instance, unless they can convince the broader community that such action is right, participants in a WikiProject cannot decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply to articles within its scope." And WP:NOCON? Quote: "In disputes over external links, disputed links are removed unless and until there is a consensus to include them.". I hope you can forgive me for getting rid of the links to the articles; if someone wants to read an article about a movie they can use Google. Is there something in those (rather boring) articles that we really should include in the Wikipedia article? Is this an acceptable solution for you? 86.88.105.173 (talk) 11:56, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For me, so far, those links meet the notability criteria and verifiable ref criteria. There is no redundancy or other issues. They all comply with the WP:EL policies and guidelines. So IMO, they should stand. If you feel otherwise, you may remove them, after stating proper reason why it shouldn't be there. Thanks. Happy editing :) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 13:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have already; more than once. I am not sure what you mean with "those links meet the notability criteria and verifiable ref criteria". Notability is whether a given topic warrants its own article. Verifiability means that other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information on Wikipedia comes from a reliable source. Neither applies to an external link. 86.88.105.173 (talk) 17:09, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll address the issue, if it still persists, this weekend. Real life caught up. In the meantime, feel free to revert the changes, with adequate summaries. Again, I am only adhering to the WP:EL guidelines and made the changes I felt was necessary. If you are still adamant about the removal of the entire section, feel free to do the same. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 20:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't leave dishonest templates

If you want to say something to me, write your own words, and don't lie. 93.159.183.71 (talk) 06:13, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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