Talk:Ethnic Macedonian music

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Vergina, I don't understand what you want to do. If you must move this elsewhere, use the "move this page" function to keep the history intact, and leave this article a redirect. Do not leave this a blank page. If you want to move it, please explain why, when common usage dictates that music of Macedonia is music from the country of that name. Tuf-Kat 08:39, Dec 2, 2003 (UTC)

This is Forgery!!! Music of FYROM IS NOT Music of Macedonia!!!Vergina

FYROM,the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia,as Macedonia or Republic of Macedonia is fabrik for forgery Greek history,Greek culture,Greek geography and Greek symbols Macedonians!See Greek Macedonian symbol "Vergina Sun",Philip II king of Macedonia and Alexander the Great king of Macedonia !!! Vergina 11:47, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

If you need to move articles, please learn how to use the "move page" function, Vergina, and be willing to discuss issues. Your behavior is shockingly inappropriate for this website. Tuf-Kat 17:17, Dec 2, 2003 (UTC)

I have de-politicized the first para to speak mainly about music. All the musings about when and how Slav Macedonians realized who they were are discussed in the article Macedonian Slavs, some quotes: "The Macedonian Slavs had little or no political and national identity of their own until the 20th century... ". Any political issues or discussions should be carried on there. TUF-KAT: nice page + regards, Modi 5/4/05.

why?

why the ethnic group Macedonia and not the music in the whole country? why rejecting internationaly acclaimed artists such as Esma Redzepova (roma ethnicity) for instance? however i do agree that an article like this is needed, cause ethnic macedonian music is not created solely in RoM but also in the diaspora and the neighbouring Balkan countries. Im in doubt. Let me know about your opinions

Please explain changes

Dzole: Please explain why you got rid of the links explaining larger musical styles, added links that were already included, and created un-differentiated lists (the one of music) that were simply moved below for a more easily readable and accessible system. I will revert this changes if I don't hear from you soon. Thanks! --LKAdriaan (talk) 22:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC) Dzole: I do not believe I did remove a reference to Tanec. Instead, I moved it to the "Music outside of the Republic of Macedonia" section, as folk groups tend to work on restoring and continuing ethnic pride and traditions outside of the "homeland." I moved it there because the Tanec page said "It is considered as an ambasador of the Macedonian folklore tradition worldwide." in its basic description, so the traditional music outside of political borders seemed more related than within political borders. Please explain the other changes, especially the music list that was deleted from below and included in non-list form above and the deletion of relevant Wikipedia links. Thanks!--LKAdriaan (talk) 23:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LKAdriaan- Tanec is a folklore association formed and based in Republic of Macedonia. Its not from the ethnic Macedonia diaspora (Australia, Canada, US etc.), neither its from the ethnic minority in the neighbouring countries. Its not just an entertainment group, but a serious ethnologist and folklorist institution and an important part of the culture of the Republic of Macedonia. it definetly does not belong to the "Outside Republice of Macedonia" section, I dont understand why you insist on putting it there?? The fact that the group performed all around the world doesnt mean that they are from Australia or Congo. The music list is back there in the audio clips section if you were asking about that --Dzole (talk) 06:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

also im afraid im misunderstanding something here:

what did you mean by that line about some links "explaining larger musical styles"? did you mean links like rock music, pop music? --Dzole (talk) 06:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and btw who was removing Boris Trajanov from the classical music section?! what is this, a war of ego's between the opera singers or what?? I may not be Trajanov's fan but he is definetly one of the most notable opera singers in the country and he is a UNESCO Artist for Peace --Dzole (talk) 06:42, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

a) Sorry about Tanec. Didn't know from the cursory reading I did of the page on it. I figured they belonged to outside because they seem to concentrate on spreading/encouraging appreciation of Macedonian culture, the "ambassador" line. And I meant links like "lyric" and "epic" song. Rather than just have "lyric" there, why not link to lyric poetry to explain the general themes and styles of lyric verse? And I have no idea who Mr. Trajanov is. If I accidentally deleted him, sorry. If not, I have no clue. I don't remember really affecting that section, but I may be wrong. Thanks for clearing up the info on Tanec. Please make sure, when you are adding things, that the grammar/style edits are kept. Some of the sentences were very unwieldy and hard to follow. Thanks!--LKAdriaan (talk) 07:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ok,ok I agree about the lyric poetry and epic poetry, yes they can be connected. About Trajanov no I didnt accuse you personally I though there may be an "ego war" going on between opera singers (between their fans) and like, someone considers Trajanov as "not good enough" to be mentioned, and just deletes him?? awful behaviour really. Although, again, Im not a fan of him at all, nothing "POV". --Dzole (talk) 23:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]