Talk:Maghrebi Arabs

This article was nominated for deletion on 22 May 2016. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Proposed move

This article's scope has been exceptionally hazy and ill-defined for the past few years or so. It started out as an article on the Arab diaspora in Africa (including in sub-Saharan and Sahel countries like Tanzania, Kenya, Chad, Mali, etc) then the title was changed to "North African Arabs" for some reason utterly lost on me (North African Arabs and Arabs in Africa at large are most certainly not the same thing), and now the article seems to focus almost exclusively on Arabs in the Maghreb region, not even North Africa at large. This has led to content about Egyptians and Arabs in the Sudan being removed, as those countries are not part of the Maghreb despite being considered parts of the northern subcontinent.

Due to this trend towards a narrower and narrower focus at the expense of coverage, I'm going to propose we move this article to Arab diaspora in Africa, similar to British diaspora in Africa and return its scope to what it was originally tended to be.

Furthermore, this article is more or less a stub. Expanding its coverage will allow new content to be incorporated and help populate the page for our readership.

Thanks, --Katangais (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Shasu" section

What does this have to do with the subject? They were neither ethnic Arabs or Arabic speaking, so they should be removed. FunkMonk (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article represents reliable sources incorrectly and needs more detailed information

Even though this article seems to be supported by some sources, it is full of statements that are not correctly rendered. For example, this sentence seems to me absolutely inaccurate: "The descendants of the original Arab settlers who continue to speak Arabic as a first language currently form the single largest population group in North Africa." This statement totally contradicts the article on Arab Berbers and its sources, and confuses speaking regional forms of Arabic in the Maghreb as a native language with using Modern Standard Arabic (MSA) as a language for official statements, written forms of communication or the teaching of MSA in schools and universities. The linguistic reality of the Maghreb and most other Arabic speaking countries has been described by sociolinguists as diglossia and must be described as such. That most people in these countries consider themselves as North Africans, Arabs, Berbers, Moroccans, Algerians etc. should also be discussed in detail and supported by reliable sources. - IMO, the fact that it has been under discussion for deletion and obviously been drastically changed without success means that it either needs thorough re-editing or deletion and possibly a new start. Munfarid1 (talk) 23:27, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 2023

The cited source that is supposed to support this statement has been misrepresented. All it says is: "Arabs are the largest single ethnic group in the Middle East and North Africa, numbering around 325 million people living in 22 countries that make up the League of Arab States... Arab ethnicity is difficult to define, and it is generally accepted that it is primarily based on speaking the Arabic language.". M.Bitton (talk) 13:37, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

author/s fail to mention what 'arab' means

for example, is an arab of persian predecessors, who assimilated culturally and linguistically to 'arabic', equivalent to

an arab whose predecessors come out of a tribe or tribes from the arab peninsula, and also is 'arabic' culturally, and linguistically? if so, shouldn't hyphenated arab identities, such as arab-berbers, or perso-arabs etc, be seconded, or otherwise clarify whether they mean arab mainly by tribal origins, or mainly in terms of cultural, language assimilation (similar to how there are russian speakimg populations, not considered ethnic russians, yet may also share some cultural traits with ethnic russians, from historic russia..

this seems especially relevant when speaking of many ppl, such as country population, as the wording helps define the essence of the population's identity, 'alleged' or otherwise.. for example, whether using 'ethnic arabs', or just 'arabs', makes a decisive difference in terms of general impression, and in terms of the pertinent ethnic identity of the population..don't conflate the two, especially for some perceived gain, such as to deceive readership in self interest, otherwise ignore last sentence.. 12.146.12.2 (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]