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25 or 624

DragoonWraith 21:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC): There's a reference to LSD-25, but 624 is also a drug. Apparently it's used to return to reality after a trip. *shrug* At least, that's how I always heard it, I don't have any sources. Anyone know more than I do?[reply]

Moved from my talk page

This being a very cryptic title for a song, the speculation regarding its meaning has always been associated with it. That is why the speculation is ADMITTED in the text of the meaning. The speculation has always been part of the nature and personality of the song. This is why it is included in the Wik page. Those who have followed Chicago over the years understand this, and that is why we are managing this page. Please trust us to do our job. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.150.49.51 (talk) 21:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I'd rather you managed the page with proper references. If there is a reliable source which states this speculation, then by all means add it, but until then it can stay out. The point of Wikipedia is that you don't have to have "followed something for years" to trust what is written on the page. And phrases like "that is why we are managing this page" makes it sound like nobody else can edit it. I'm sorry, that goes against what Wikipedia is about. Bubba hotep 22:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The page has already been edited and is longstanding. You and your anonymous friend don't seem to understand this. Allow others to become involved besides yourselves, and do not eliminate the contributions of those that precede you.

Nobody owns this page. Show me the sources. Bubba hotep 22:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let me back that - 1) nobody owns or manages this page - ANY wikipedian can edit it 2) Unsourced material, where another editor has asked for a source and it has not be supplied with be removed. --Fredrick day 22:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Time for the original author of this article to add his two cents' worth. As noted above, no one person or group of editors "owns" or "manages" a page. We also have a shared responsibility to include only independently-verifiable information, which is why my article stub only quoted Lamm on the song's meaning. All of us long-time Chicago fans have heard stories about possible drug-related meanings, but adding that information here without citing a source could be considered original research and thus can be deleted by anyone. Because the LSD rumors have been out there for a very long time, I wouldn't think it terribly difficult to find and quote a source that discusses the speculation. Until then, I agree with Bubba hotep and Fredrick day. -- Engineer Bob 00:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

THANK YOU, you have confirmed the long standing rumours and speculation associated with the meaning of the song, given its cryptic title. That is why this speculation is mentioned in the text...it has long been a part of the personality of the song, and readers should be made aware of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.150.49.51 (talk • contribs) 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You clearly misread my comment -- I agree that speculation about the song's meaning has long existed, but do NOT agree with adding UNSOURCED speculation to the article. It appears that Fredrick day has once again reverted your original research. -- Engineer Bob 21:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They misread your comment on purpose, for which they have been blocked. Bubba hotep 21:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is not original research because the suspected reference to LSD has existed for years (even decades). There is no harm in letting readers be aware of this. The lyrics clearly support this suspicion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.25.124 (talk • contribs) 25 April 2007 (UTC)

So, no mention in the behind-the-scenes page about the potential Kent State Massacre connection? That's what a friend's father told me the song was about, when I was a high-schooler in the mid-80s.