Talk:Hoodie

Male wearing the Male Fashion Statement that is the Hoodie

Ok - how to put in that this is a Moral panic without using "it is believed by some to be..." when we can't back it up. We could also do with finding which tabloid newspaper started this off first. It won't have been Bluewater -> Blair. It will have been tabloid ->Bluewater ->Blair. These things don't appear from nowhere. Secretlondon 02:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Not sure about the tabloids, but a brief search of the BBC News website gave me much earlier references to hoodies being banned from shops, the earliest being about shops in Folkestone from August 2003. Cohen the Bavarian 16:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Zipper

Why is there no mention of zippered hoodies? Is a hoody considered a jacket if it has a zipper? --Viriditas | Talk 02:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. This seems to be more in line with the consensus on StyleForum. I have changed the definition. If you disagree, let's discuss it here. Kent Wang 01:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Other countries

As a U.S. resident, the apparent controversy over hoodies is absent here, and I was wondering about where it exists. Does anyone know of another place where hoodies are similarly stigmatized or if the controversy is confined to Britain? Cosmonot 18:04, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland, to an extent. One of my local pubs has a 'no hoodies, no soccer shirts' policy. --Kiand 18:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mainly the UK. Some people wear a hoodie as a counter-blast to the increasing 'surveillance culture' that seems to be taking over here now. I am 48 with a totally clean criminal record and no intention of doing anything to merit one, but often wear a hoodie because I am sick of constantly looking up and finding a CCTV camera staring at me. It's not the camera - but the thought of the snide petty-official 'warden' sat at the other end that irritates me. 160.84.253.241 14:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In netherlands 'hoodies', locally not named, but described, as 'with capuchon', became very popular in the time of massive anti-nuke protests etc. The reason people would have (slogan bearing) jumpers *with* capuchons, was that it proved helpfull not to be arrested on the way home, or in advance at a next demo. Also when the police violence broke loose , one could resist with more chance of escape. As a result people tended to wear hoodies in similar colours, most often black, and often sloganned, or otherwise recognisable (cartoons, symbols, motto's) as part of the subculture. In peace/forest camps, and eviction threatened squats eg. the usefullness of not being fotographed (and hence being not only traceble but frequently hindered in career's, jobs and social applications) can be evident every moment. Since the early 90s at some point the trend seemed to weaken, but ever so often the new youth culture found reason to join in the habit. What i miss in the article is the relation with positive social action.(eg stealing food when you friends are hungry). 80.56.39.16 15:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Hoody" vs. "hoodie"

I'm wondering about a more mundane controversy: whether "hoody" or "hoodie" is the more generally accepted spelling. Right now, the article implies that "hoody" is more generally accepted. However, Google reports "hoodie" being used more than "hoody" on the Web by about 2:1. Personally, I have never seen "hoody" used as the singular before I saw this Wikipedia article. It could be argued that this is a case of UK vs. US English, but note that even on Web sites in the .uk domain, "hoodie" appears to be favored slightly (about 55% "hoodie" to 45% "hoody"). —LarryGilbert 16:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was just wondering the same thing. I've always seen it "hoodie" and also noticed the Google disparity. Sarge Baldy 08:06, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Same here, I've only seen "hoodie." Also, I think -ie endings look better on the page than -y endings, but that's far less relevant. I'd suggest moving the page. Borksamoht 08:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this can be solved with the reason I moseyed on over to the talk page in the first place… Doesn’t hoodie seem a bit informal to anybody else? What about hooded sweatshirt, which avoids the -ie/-y conflict? Wiki Wikardo 10:08, 28 December 2006

Hoody looked more correct for me at the time of originally starting this article (which I see has come along quite nicely), and I generally like shorter words, but if it redirects it works for me.

"Hoodie"

Where did this term come from? Am I correct in thinking it only became commonly used a couple of years ago? I had never heard it until . . . I don't know the exact date. Maybe 2002, 2003? Somewhere around there. Does anyone know when it began? Or when it began to spread? -Branddobbe 07:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I appologise that i am lacking a date for you, but i woud suggest that it is shortened from Hooded Sweatshirt.69.209.57.233 22:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)Jason[reply]

I know that it was being used in Australia, at least in the hip hop subculture, by the late 90s. Can't get more specific than that. Fipe 12:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hoodlum

It seems the hoodie (or hoody, whatever)makes people talk about the hoodie. That's wrong. A Hoodie is neither good or bad. It just shows the person behind/under the hoodie more expressive than he is. Test it for yourself: look at a person with his hood on his head and get in touch with your feelings. Either you fall in love because the hoodie looks tender, either you hate the hoodie because he looks decadent. It always works! That's why the government need to force everybody to wear a hoodie. Hoodies don't lie!!!

amen!

I think action is essential

I don't believe it's enough to just comment, debate & complain, it's essential to change minds!

It is self evident that wearing a hooded garment doesn't make a person bad so why allow this to become a truism.

I agree, wearing hoods should be compulsory but that's because I love wearing hooded clothes! Strange I know but I think I know where it comes from (another days discusion perhaps). I know I'm not a bad person, I don't mug people, I'm very polite, I smile and talk to people (except in London where doing that freaks people out), I have a good job and a family.

So, while I don't expect everyone will take up wearing hoods, if more bright, normal, articulate, employed, friendly people did, it may not be news tomorrow but minds might be changed.

in the mean time, I started a yahoo group with nice pics of nice people in nice hoods.

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Perhaps if enough of the right people contribute and show off their hoods then it can start a movement.

Hoodies for good

Is it possible to add some pictures of people wearing hoodies to the article?

(By the way, there is a "have your say" about this issue at BBC these days [2]) --Armendariz 20:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Or, maybe, someone makes like a neat foursome of hoodies, like arranged in a square or something. Whilst having at least one be a pullover style and the other a full zippered one, or one of the creepy pullover-zippered hybrids the gap is selling.

Band hoodies

What about band hoodies (Hoodies with the logo of a rock band on)? I've seen them around for much longer than the 'chav' ones, and even though they're different (and often worn by people whose way of life is different), there's still some sort of stigma attached - I've receieved many dirty looks and had people (mostly older people) complain to me about wearing one on the odd occasions I've worn one. Possibly notable (not what happened to me, obviously, I mean band hoodies in general)?

And by the way, I think this whole hysteria over it is absolutely ridiculous. 80.6.98.250 11:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Men in Hoodies

Hoodies are a Male Dominent Fashion trend, generally the woman that wear them are Lesbians or pretending to be Male.

User 88.108.51.238: women wear hoodies, as do girls. To say that only men and boys wear them is factually incorrect and nonsense. Changing it back to exclude women and girls will be considered vandalism.Bobanny 04:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User Bobanny: Boys and Men wear them, not girls and women - you stop talking nonsense - as that is considered as vandalism 88.108.51.28 19:59, 22 September 2006

This is crazy!? Did anyone seriously mean that point about hoodies being for men only? Is this the same lunatic who keeps saying bras are unisex!?Spute 16:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, seems to be the same lunatic, although not always the same IP address.Bobanny 21:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

urrm i am not the same person actually, i find that extremely offensive. i have a static IP address thankyou very much. and bra's are unisex thankyou as mentioned by the previous person or as you call them 'weirdo'. i think you will find commenting about a specific IP on wikipedia is a bannable offense as well.

Yes, that's right bras are unisex. Of course they are. Thank you for clarfying. The other editors shouldn't call you a weirdo. Even if... Addhoc 00:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection

Should we consider semi-protecting the page to prevent the "male" obsessed IP address from making further changes? Addhoc 13:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem seems to have ended. Perhaps if it starts up again protection should be sought.Bobanny 00:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, looks like I was wrong. Yeah, semi-protection is probably a good idea.Bobanny 19:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

History - Who invented it?

No-where in the article is the historical derivation of the modern 'hooded jumper' with kangaroo pouch. I think US brand 'Champion' has been manufacturing the modern hood for much of the 20th Century - being the norm of 'boxing' training gear. Ideas? Ethikos 03:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

viewpoint problems

Just read through this article, and it is extremely focused on Great Britain. If I didn't know better, I would think that wearing a hoodie is looked down upon nearly everywhere in the world. I understand that there is a controversy in the UK and Ireland, but perhaps it should be made more clear that, at least in the United States, wearing a hoodie is not always perceived as uniform for hoodlums. 209.129.161.251 21:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Curiously we are told that it is in the US too (!) - there is a fake american english import "hood rat" etc in the popular press and we just got vandalism with similar. I think the reason why it is UK focussed it because of the moral panic - hoodies are a symbol as well as an item of clothing. An article on an item of clothing wouldn't otherwise get the attention. Secretlondon 04:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

However, It seems that the UK has a much more interesting relationship with the hoodie than America does. In fact, I never knew about the uproar until I read this article, I just assumed that people wear hoodies because they are warm. Is it offensive to wear a hoodie with the hood down as well? While living in Fargo, ND I never see people wearing hoodies in the summer but always in the winter, usually under outer coats, because they help to insulate the wearer against windchill/warm the ears. I do agree that the article is too focused on one country as it stands, but perhaps this could be better incorporated into the article as a whole. Zrekhan 16:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not offensive as much as class-connected. I think it is to do with the spread of US popular culture (branded sportswear being a culture import), tied in with the fear of (generally black) youths and the current fear of crime hysteria. We have a very high coverage of CCTV cameras and multiple crime "crackdowns" get votes. (I forget the number of crime bills in the last five years but it's loads). Wearing branded sportswear is deprecated in the UK - although if you read our chav article you'd think they all deserved it (chav is roughly urban white trash). The newspapers now refer to hoody wearing criminals as "hoodies". You get headlines like "Hoodie throws man off train", which is an incredible feat for a sweatshirt.. Secretlondon 16:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is kind of crappy.

Who first made the sweatshirt hoodie we know today? What region did it popularize in first? Cultural significance and subculture scene association? Variety of logoing, patterns and styles? In media? In pop culture?

This is a popular piece of clothing, it deserves more effort than it has received.

Also the section on England has to be modified and fit into a better narrative through the article. Too much focus.

"Bunnyhug" term

In Saskatchewan, Canada a hoodie or hoody is traditionally known as a "bunnyhug" or "bunny hug". I added this to the hoodie entry but it was removed by an anonymous user. I'm not sure what source I would cite for this. On the Wiki, I found this page but it wouldn't really provide any further credibility. Thoughts?