User talk:Arrow740

Sikhism

I'm not knowledgeable about Sikhism, and I'm wondering what exactly it is that intrigues you about this faith. What elements of Sikhism seems attractive over Buddhism (apparently, your current faith)? I've never taken interest in any of the Dharmic faiths, although my own father raised me on Buddhist-Taoist concepts (which, oddly, eventually led me to Christianity). I'm interested to hear your reasons. --C.Logan 11:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Sounds like very similar to the reasons I chose Eastern Christianity over Western, sans reincarnation (theosis, single point of consciousness, etc.). I'd always been curious about the Sikhs, as they have a temple (or whatever they may call it) within walking distance from my house. Sadly, the faith was largely passed over in my Theology classes... Anyway, I'm glad to help in any way I can. I hate to generalize, but it seems that the vast majority of Muslim contributors are new users with a shallow grasp of English and a mission to eliminate or soften any criticism of Islam. Not that there aren't many helpful Muslim contributors (although they can be bullies at times, from what I've seen). Hopefully everyone will one day be able to work together peacefully in the halls of Wiki.--C.Logan 23:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't feel like creating a new heading... anyway, thanks for the guiding light. I don't know if it's so necessary now- I'll wait to see if Khorshid flares up again.--C.Logan 08:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My email is enabled

Hi I enabled my email now, look forward to talking to you. --Matt57 13:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Houri

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Houri, you will be blocked from editing.

Stop changing primary source. Primary sources erasing is vandalism.

No it isn't, if you're misusing/personally drawing conclusions from this source and expressing them in the article. I'm not fully aware of the circumstances, but I do know that you should refrain from using primary sources whenever possible. Secondary sources are almost always preferable to Primary sources when adding material to Wikipedia. --C.Logan 02:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slavery in Islam

Please address my points in this section. [1] --Aminz 04:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History of Buddhism in India

Many thanks for your involvement in the neglected article. I've been trying to bring it up to GA class and did not have to deal with any POV pushers but I think that is about to change. Tigeroo's intentions seem to want to favor a particular religion.

You'll see that he blanked material from Daniel Pipes, the Mahabodhi Society and the very well respected B. R. Ambedkar.

I would appreciate it if you watchlisted the article for any blanking of material or such activity. Regards, Phillip Rosenthal 21:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Koran or Criticism of Koran

Thanks for your message. I am trying to understand their position, so bear with me. Suppose I am a reader and am interested in learning about the Islamic Jurisprudence. If all the material that is critical of Islamic Jurisprudence is shunted off to another article "Criticism of Islamic Jurisprudence", then I would hardly get a balanced view of Islamic Jurisprudence. Or think about an article about Hitler. Should all the material critical about Hitler be shunted off to another article "Criticism of Hitler" and only positive assessments of Hitler remain in the article? Or is there a special standard for articles on Islam? Thanks, NN 05:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quote

Hi Arrow,

Regarding the quote you provided before: "Islamic law provided a powerful and highly articulated paradigm for slavery, manumission, and clientage. This paradigm, however, is fraught with tensions and ambiguities. The slave is both person and property. The natural condition of human beings is freedom but enslavement is sanctioned by God as punishment for unbelief"

Can you please quote a few more sentences. it is not clear to me what "is sanctioned by God as punishment for unbelief" means. Thanks --Aminz 04:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. --Aminz 05:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for your kind words, and for your interest. It encourages me for more editing and expansion in the History of Buddhism in India article.
Phillip Rosenthal 16:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit to Bat Ye'or back in March

Hello Arrow. Back on 17 March you added to the Bat Ye'or article a view on the writer's work that you attributed to a book by Joel Beinin. An editor has reverted it on the grounds that the book does not contain any such opinion. (And in fact it would not be expected that Beinin would offer blanket praise of Bat Ye'or's work, since they take very different views about the interpretation of the history of the Jews in Egypt). I wondered whether you would like to explain your edit? Thanks. Itsmejudith 10:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the talk page. Arrow740 16:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That fact tag...

Hi Arrow. You probably got this, but just in case you missed it; that fact tag actually came from the previous editor.[2]. I suspect it was an attempt to sneak that pic in without mentioning it - ie, he added the tag and mentioned it in the edit sum, but did not mention adding the pic. kind regards --Merbabu 01:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shunyata

Re your question why take this out? "The denial of spirituality to contingent things, in particular, is a denial of any real essence to these things in themselves, and, thus forms the basis of the more sweeping 'sunyavada' doctrine which in the Mahayana denies not any "value" but any essence to even the Buddha's appearance and to the promulgation of the Dhamma itself." Sorry, but it makes absolutely no sense to me. What do you mean with "denial of spirituality to contingent things"? Mahayana philosophy of shunyata is not about the spirituality of things, but on whether things exist alltogether. rudy 20:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then you need to define what you mean with 'essence' - I'm not sure how familiar you are with Buddhism of the philosophical ins and outs of shunyata, but 'just rewording' is usually quite a bit more complex then people think... There arose dozens of schools over history with many smart people trying to define what exactly is meant with emptiness. :-) rudy 20:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A grammar question

What is the word itaq exactly? Is it a command? Thanks, Arrow740 07:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It means "to fear". It is a verb. It can be a grammatical mood or any other linguistic modality. It also means "to listen". -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Need your opinion.

There's a disagreement going on at the List of converts to Christianity page. A user removed Bob Dylan from the list, under the reasoning that the source was either biased or did not support the article's content. So, I continued to find other sources which supported the fact the Bob Dylan had at least embraced Christianity for a short time, many years ago. User: Bus stop has repeatedly removed Dylan's listing for the same reason previously stated. Currently, it has reached the point where 9 sources are still insufficient in this user's eyes (even one hosted on Bobdylan.com, if that lends any more weight to it's content). I've found a 10th source from a Jewish site (as bias cannot be claimed), and it essentially confirms the other sources. I go into great deal regarding the content of these sources on the talk page. I'd welcome your opinion of the sources. This should be noted... he's left direct comments on the page as if he's never heard of a talk page. I don't get it. The sources are hardly ambiguous, especially with direct quotes from Dylan in some. I suppose the user will not be satisfied unless a source has Dylan saying, "Yes, I converted to Christianity, and I really believed in it." --C.Logan 02:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A beautiful site

Hi I forgot to sign earlier, this website helps exploring the Quran, it will certainly help clear your certain doubts about the Quran please take a look at it. I am not going post the link again as you already know it. ŇëŧΜǒńğëŗ^{Peace Talks} 04:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Arrow740 04:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Or just hear Syed Abulala Maududi's Tafsir called Tafheem-ul-Quran from [3]. Please do not hear it from middle. Start hearing it from beginning and keep hearing. For me that is cool experience. I like Maududi because he is not an apologist and try to present thing the way they are. --- ALM 14:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User 210.4.77.150

You might want to watch this user, and maybe report him/her. On his talk page, he has deleted all his previous vandalism warnings, hoping nobody would notice.--Sefringle 07:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

3RR rule will be broken

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Houri. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing.. → Aktar ^{(talk • contribs)} — 09:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned previously, let's discuss the issues in the Talk page and once a consensus is reached, changing it over is a simple task. → Aktar ^{(talk • contribs)} — 09:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

edit summary

in response to your edit summary here, i think you are quite aware that the translation, its meaning and context has been disputed. ITAQALLAH 18:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Itaqallah, "disputed"? That was a dispute from a user who misled people by replacing the word Kiss with the innocent "play". How can you trust her translation when she purposely mistranslated atleast once? Arrow, we do need a good translation though. I suggest getting help from the Persian helpdesk or something. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 18:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

if you think she mistranslated, why don't you consult her and request clarification, instead of showing a lack of good faith? ITAQALLAH 19:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its not necessrily bad faith. Either it was done on purpose, or she doesnt know what she's doing. Either way, ofcoruse she cannot be trusted with the translation and she has proved it. You are knowingly supporting her. I will take this to task myself. We'll consult the persian helpdesk. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 20:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

whatever false dichomoties you establish aren't really of interest. you're just lashing out at someone without bothering to bring their attention to your concern. ITAQALLAH 22:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You need a reliable source for translation since it is disputed. --Aminz 22:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Further, it is giving undue weight to one scholar who itself is in a minority(shiasm). --Aminz 22:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That argument is not going to work. Arrow740 22:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic ethics

Do you hace an opinion on this?--Sefringle 01:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The relation between Islam and science

I think this article should be deleted. It has not developed much since it creation and have only one section written well. I suggest we keep one section in new article named Embryology In Quran and delete rest of the article. What you suggest? --- A. L. M. 17:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of the Qur'an

Please do not remove source material. The article says that according to critics:"Islamic extremist terrorism is true islam" and that's a response to it. --Aminz 21:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Buddha Avatar

Thanks for your message. Actually, I'm disinclined to get too embroiled in the "Buddha as Avatar" article -- I spent a lot of time on it once but it's too much hard work trying to arrive at a consensus. You might like to look back at the earlier part of the relevent talk pages. Also, I hope you are not too miffed by my comments regarding your edits to the Buddhism article. It is unfortunate, but unless one reads some of the original canonical languages, one is at the mercy of other translators and scholars of Mahayana and their view is often quite skewed to fit their apparent preconceptions of what Mahayana ought to be. There are a vast number of Mahayana sutras etc that have never been translated, let alone even read. I am trying to remedy this in the real world outside Wiki with a number of forth-coming translations of key TG Mahayana texts which reveal something very different to the popular strawman set up by some.--Stephen Hodge 22:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Religious conversion

Arrow740, please see the meaning of the word in context, and the general reaction of Dharmic religions to this concept, which is different from just embracing the ideas and teachings of a religion. For starters, please read what Buddhist leaders say about it [4] [5]. "Conversion" means a very specific thing, and embracement of the teachings of Buddha by the ancient people does not fit this definition. deeptrivia (talk) 03:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

0rrAvenger has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Just wanted to remind you to relax re: your edit summary here. Take it easy fellow =).--0rrAvenger 03:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Islam and Children

Hi,

You had reverted my edits on the Islam and Children article, as per policy just saying (rv) on your edit summary is not enough, when you revert again consider giving a proper explanation for your revert. If you continue to revert without an explanation, I am sorry to say that I'll have to report you to WP:ANI.

The section that I removed, I gave a good explanation, please see Exceptional claims require exceptional sources.ŇëŧΜǒńğëŗ^{Peace Talks} 09:53, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but being gay doesn't disqualify a translator published by a reputable publishing house from being a reliable source. These issues are long-standing, don't waste my time. Arrow740 19:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the issue is indeed long-standing. homa.org is not a reliable source, and neither is Darabi. ITAQALLAH 06:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This diff is blatant hiding of the truth and it says a lot. The translation you are referring to was confirmed by Muslim wikipedians, including one we all respect in Faysal. The removal of the thighing quote doesn't even have a pretext. Arrow740 07:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the translation wasn't 'confirmed', as the translations offered on the talk page differed with the one defended in the article to varying degrees. the thighing quote may deserve to stay for now, as ProtectWomen apparently confirms that she a) possesses the publication and/or b) obtained the quote upon consulting that publication, instead of, say, finding it on the internet. i will, however, try to find out more about this obscure book. ITAQALLAH 18:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arrow- I posted an unprotect request for Islam and children [6]. Just thought you should know because I mentioned your name. Also, Netmonger is watching this page (and my talk page), so he will see this notice as well. --ProtectWomen 06:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

For the barnstar. - Merzbow 07:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Vesak

File:SiddhartaBirth.JPG

A Happy Vesak (according to the Vietnamese calendar) to you Arrow. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all your hard work on the Buddhism articles. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kenan Malik

in this summary you assert that Malik is 'much more than a neurobiologist'. i think you know quite well that he doesn't need a qualification in "Islamophobia" to be considered a reliable source here, so we can do away with that straw man. what should be required, if he is to be cited in the lead on par with real academic authorities, would be some sort of verifiable expertise in contemporary sociology or a related subject. his wiki article doesn't postulate anything of real substance in that regard. as you can agree that Mr. Hasan and other non-authorities should be excised, we should apply WP:RS uniformly and remove those who are discussing out of their league. ITAQALLAH 13:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Islam

Replied on my talk page. Calliopejen1 09:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Oh yes, I discovered that and self reverted even before reading your message. Sorry about that. 20:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you so much for the barnstar, which I did little to deserve. I regret that I have not been of more help. I wish we could do more to build teamwork on some of these complex articles. Buddhipriya 06:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Elst

response on my talk. also, please discuss the issue of Sina at Talk:Zakir Naik#Zakir Naik as a showman. you are on your third revert, as you know. ITAQALLAH 20:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Islamophobia

What do you mean by "this is excessive"? Kenan Malik's view is thoroughly fleshed out in the article. The responses to him should be equally elaborate, no more and no less. See WP:NPOV. Inayet Bunglawala's main point was that Malik wrongly uses violence as a measure of islamophobia, ignoring other forms of prejudice. Whomever made reference to his view left all of that out. Xiao t 15:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]