Talk:Murder of Kelsey Smith

This article was nominated for deletion on 6 June 2007. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Disappearance

Could end up being a notable case, but it would make sense for anyone revising the article, to spell disappearance correctly, and move it to Kelsey Smith.ǂ---Sturmde 00:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable?

While many people do go missing every day, not all of them get a 20-minute segment on Fox News (which I was watching last night, purely for comedic value, I swear!). I logged on to the Wiki to see if she had an article, and she did. While I hadn't heard of her until I watched the "special" news last night, it does seem like this is a nationally recognized name.

However, I will not oppose a deletion, as a Google search for "Kelsey Smith" doesn't even turn up with this Kelsey Smith as the first entry, and many of the other entries there are not about this Kelsey Smith. (I know that Google searches aren't the end-all-be-all of notability criteria, but come on.) –King Bee ^{(τ • γ)} 13:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's nice to know you watch news specials about kidnapped, murdered teenagers for comedic value. Talmage 08:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think (hope) it was the Fox News that was for comedic value, not the murdered woman.71.63.119.49 02:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, a Google search for 'Kelsey Smith' returns a news article relating to the kidnapping as the first link, so you can say that she has become notable if that is one of your criteria.

True, many people go missing every day, but not all of them receive the kind of national attention this case has. That alone in my opinion makes it a notable case and not a candidate for deletion.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.11.254 (talk • contribs)

It's not really one of the criteria, but I use it kind of as a litmus test just to see what's going on. I also don't count that news article as the first link, because that is a "Google News" link, not a regular website link. –King Bee ^{(τ • γ)} 15:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you're saying, but I don't believe the average Google user makes a distinction between a 'Google News' link and a regular search link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.11.254 (talk • contribs)

Now that I've remembered my login, perhaps my objection to deletion will carry more weight. This case has received massive national media attention in the past four days, granting it notability above and beyond other missing persons cases, similar to previously nationally discussed cases such as JonBenet Ramsey or Polly Klass. Discolando 16:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely don't deleate. It is getting a lot of coverage. And with time it will only grow. Once they arrest someone I'm sure the trial will be big news too. Wait and see.

Something (or somebody) is not notable simply for something they have done, but about the interest around the person, item, or event. This is very noteworthy, and is recieving wide media interest. Most notably because the incident was captrued on camera. And now that she is dead, the interest will only grow, along with the interest in the topic of security cameras. 75.120.97.221 21:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I say keep the article until her news coverage runs out. I say this because it's still developing, and if she becomes a big story then she is notable, but not yet. If anything, this is a case of missing white woman syndrome in the media.

I'm convinced this is going to continue to be a major case due to the low crime rate in the Overland Park, Olathe suburbs. (I'm from Olathe). The fact is this kind of stuff doesn't happen around here and a lot of people are going to keep this at the front of the news. Also the unique cellphone pings used to locate her body are not usually used and is a noteworhty techinque. The case is definatly worthy of a wiki entry.

Death:

KSHB-TV confirmed the body is that of Kelsey Smith, I cannot cite my source as their website is being hammered at the moment. If you need to confirm my edit please listen to there livestream via Windows Media Player: http://mfile.akamai.com/14326/live/reflector:50320.asx?prop=n AcePuppy 20:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reference link added AcePuppy 20:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does anybody think this will turn into a Laci Peterson like trial? I'm really itching to edit a wikipedia article from start to finish. Ksharpe126

Not too much like the Laci Peterson case because Scott Peterson is still in prison. But someone has already added this tragic case to Missing white woman syndrome. Edison 23:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MySpace Page

I have added her myspace page as an external link, moderators may delete at their discretion if you feel inappropriate. http://www.myspace.com/bandbaby2007 AcePuppy 18:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How did you find her myspace page

Ksharpe126

How her MySpace was found shouldn't be of concern. AcePuppy 18:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No need to get defensive, it was just a simple question. are you taking over this article? cause you reverted alot of what i wrote. Ksharpe126

I am not 100% sure, but I thought that Wikipedia had some type of "rule" that MySpace pages were "off limits." I remember this coming up on The Apprentice (US Season 6) article, when the MySpace pages of that reality show's contestants were posted there. (JosephASpadaro 20:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

What is Edwin R Hall's myspace page??

It was deleted from MySpace and his wife's MySpace page was made private. (JosephASpadaro 17:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

You can check out this website. It has "stored" copies of Edwin R. Hall's MySpace page and his wife's MySpace page. The website is: http://just-cara.blogspot.com/search/label/Edwin%20Hall (JosephASpadaro 17:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Reformating

Renamed Timeline to overview (a timeline is not nessisarry at this point)
added small changes
suggestions

Should we add a photo of the "suspect" who im pretty sure is the guy they've arrested in her murder. or should we hold off?

Does the Deletion notice still need to be there? this is gonna be notable for a while.

Hold off. If you'd like to create an article about the suspect and link to it, that would be fine.--24.2.18.104 05:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removing Deletion Notice

This has been sufficiently fleshed out, and since I have read no further requests for deletion, I am removing the deletion notice immediately. 75.61.11.254 18:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are not a moderator you do not have the authority to delete the tag. AcePuppy 19:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Fine, but what possible reason would there be to delete this entry now? It seems pretty silly to keep the tag up. 75.61.11.254 20:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OH im so glad we got the draconian moderator. dont delete my comments, I simply think that we should merge Body found and Death subheadings. im not the guy who deleted the tag. and sign your comments. Ksharpe126

I think we should keep it up for now. We don't know yet how big this story is going to get, or how notable it will end up being in the long term. If it just drops off the radar, it can be deleted, but if we take it down prematurely, it seems to me a lot of work will have gone to waste. So, let's wait and see. I am not a moderator; it's just my opinion. 71.63.119.49 02:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions

move from Kelsey Smith dissappearance to simply Kelsey smith
combine the body found and Death headings in to 1
the guys hearing is over right now, it will be some good updating.
any one else have suggestions?--Ksharpe126 00:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the word "disappearance" should be removed from the title. Also, if I can figure out how to do so, I will place a "current events" tag. (JosephASpadaro 20:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Don't delete this page

I don't feel there is any good reason this page should be deleted. NOT covering stories like this one simply because she's a white female is cutting off your nose to spite your face. What if ALL kidnappings were heavily reported? We might return some people safely and eventually, we will reach that point. Refusing to cover a story because you've heard it before about a different white girl or because no one is reporting stories about missing minorities isn't fair and it doesn't do any good. Grow up people, have a heart. This is an interesting article that deserves a place here.

Edwin R. Hall

If anyone wants to start an article on the suspect, Edwin R. Hall, this link may give you a good start. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/08/missing.teen.ap/index.html CNN has come out with details of his possible MySpace page and has given some other details. AcePuppy 15:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the Deletion Notice!

Please - it looks incredibly asinine for the deletion notice to remain on this article, especially since there isn't a similar notice on the Edwin R. Hall page. There is no sane reason for this article to ever be deleted. 75.61.11.254 17:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but unfortunately it has about 2 more days left in the AfD! AcePuppy 23:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just relax. The discussion is still ongoing, and will be for just a bit longer. Then, an administrator will come in and assess the result of the discussion. Regardless of the outcome, there will no longer be an AfD template on the article. –King Bee ^{(τ • γ)} 13:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's gone now. The result was no consensus. --Core desat 01:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kelsey Smith "Disapperance"

I have changed the name from "Disappearance" to "murder". Mods please change if you feel this is not cause-worthy. Since she is now considered dead and not missing. AcePuppy 15:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No Consensus - Are You Kidding Me?

It was nearly 3 to 1 in favor of keeping. How is that no consensus? If it could override a presidential veto, there's a consensus. Talmage 02:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Over half of the keep arguments referenced other articles or similar cases. Inclusion is not an indicator of notability. --Core desat 04:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So if this page was worthy of deletion, why not delete Laci Peterson? Laci was not notable except for her death and subsequent media attention. This case is a carbon copy, so far.