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Could one combine ethyl alcohol and glycerol to make a "purell" like gelled sanitizer? --x1987x^(talk) 02:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Germs

kills 99.99% of illness-causing germs

Suggest strongly that this be clarified... what is a "germ"?
-76.4.49.201 23:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A germ is a microorganism.--JSHibbard 22:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alcohol Test

Is it true that using purell will cause you to fail an alcohol urine test?

1. Not the same kind of alcohol.

2. You don't drink the stuff, you put it on your hands. Prometheus^-X303- 14:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you use Purell or any other alcohol rub according to the label you will not fail an alcohol urine test. When you use Purell or any other alcohol rub, the alcohol on the skin evaporates in 15 to 30 seconds and is not absorbed through the skin into the bloodstream and then into the urine.--JSHibbard 22:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The idea is that it will be absorbed by you skin and will be close enought that it will be picked up. This was told to me by a doctor.

I was mistaken. It does contain ethyl alcohol. However, I'm still not convinced that the levels absorbed into the skin will reach the bloodstream and thus cause one to fail a urine test. Prometheus^-X303- 01:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Advertisement-masquerading-as-an-article?

We recently wrote an article for a liquid Instant Hand Sanitizer called Germ Out. We very carefully followed the same format and information (including a picture of the product) as the Purell article. Since we followed the same format and information, we do not understand why the Germ Out article was deleted by one of your editors. Will someone please explain why the following Germ Out article was deleted and the Purell article has not been deleted?

== Germ Out ==

Germ Out is a liquid instant hand sanitizer that contains two germ killers, 70 wt% isopropyl alcohol and 0.02 wt% benzalkonium chloride and a moisturizer, glycerin. Germ Out kills 99.99% of germs on the hands in 30 seconds. All alcohol gels, including Purell and Germ X etc., contain one germ killer, 62 v% ethyl alcohol. Two germ killers are significantly more effective than one germ killer and 70 wt% alcohol kills germs better than 62 v% alcohol. Since Germ Out is a liquid and not a gel, it spreads easier and more completely and it does not leave any "sticky" residue after it dries. Germ Out can be sprayed on the hands as a fine mist or added drop by drop from a flip top applicator. After wetting the hands thoroughly with Germ Out, they are rubbed together until the alcohol evaporates in approximately 30 seconds. Unlike the alcohol gels which kill germs for only 30 seconds, Germ Out continues killing germs for approximately 4 hours due to the second germ killer benzalkonium chloride which remains on the hands after the alcohol is gone.

Germ Out is a product of J & A Companies,L.L.C. and was first manufactured 1998 and first sold on the internet the same year.

Germ Out has been used by the US Navy, Airforce, and the Joint Task Force at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. It has been used by Medical Personnel, Law Enforcement Officers, Schools, Day Care Centers, and the General Public.

Germ Out is flammable and should not be used around fire, spark, or flame. Children under 6 years old should not use Germ Out without adult supervision. Inactive ingredients in Germ Out include glycerin and water.

==External Links==

Product website www.germout.com, Alcohol rubs, Alcohol based hand cleaners

==Sources==

1. http: www.learnwell.org//handhygiene.htm 2. Hibbard, J.S. Analyses Comparing the Antimicrobial Activity and Safety of Current Antiseptic Agents. J. Infusion Nursing, 2005, 28: No. 3 194-207. 3. Pietsch, H. Hand Antiseptics: Rubs Versus Scrubs, Alcoholic Solutions Versus Alcoholic Gels. J. Hospital Infection 2001, (200) 48: Suppl A, S33-S36. 4. Kramer, A., Rudolpf, P., Kamph, G., and Pittet, D, Limited Efficacy of Alcohol-based Hand Gels. The Lancet, 2002, 359: April 27 1489-1490.

Please consider "undeleting" the Germ Out article or deleting the Purell article as an advertisement.

Thank you.

--JSHibbard 15:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How popular is Germ Out vs Purell? I've never heard of it and suspect it's limited market exposure is another reason it does not belong on Wikipedia. It is OK to have entries on commercial products, for example Prius. Germ Out and Purell should probably both be listed on a page for Liquid Hand Sanitizers. ForestJay 15:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry. I did not know inclusion into Wikipedia was based on popularity. I thought it was an Internet Dictionary. Your example of the Prius is not a very good example. The Prius has a very limited market exposure compared to the Ford F-150 or the Toyota Camry. Germ Out and Purell should not be listed together on a page for liquid hand sanitizers since Germ Out is a superior liquid hand sanitizer and Purell is an inferior gel hand sanitizer. Would you like to have a free sample of Germ Out the most efficient and safest hand sanitizer in the world?--JSHibbard 01:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Purell

All advertising should be removed from the Purell article. In my opinion, this is what the Purell article should contain.

Purell is an instant hand sanitizer. Its active ingredient is ethyl alcohol. Purell is the most popular hand sanitizer in the U.S. In 2006, The New York Times reported that Purell is heavily used by politicians during election season, when they have to shake countless hands and remain in robust health.[4] The product is flammable and may discolor fabrics. The inactive ingredients include water, isopropyl alcohol, glycerin, carbomer, fragrance, aminomethyl propanol, propylene glycol, isopropyl myristate, and tocopheryl acetate.

All references to the several multinational companies, the web site, and the picture of Purell should be removed. Otherwise it is blatant advertising.--JSHibbard 20:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John, while I appreciate your dedication to your product, Germ Out, we cannot allow you to ignore two of the three main tenets of wikipedia: Neutral Point of View and Verifiability. Many products have their product images and logos in their articles. An encyclopedia is meant to be informative. Images can be far more informative than text. The Purell article is written in a Neutral Point of View with verifiable data. You are too close to Germ Out to have even a marginally neutral point of view of either product. ForestJay 21:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ForestJay, The Germ Out article did not ignore the three main tenants of Wikipedia. The article was written in the same format as the Purell article. Every statement in the Germ Out article is verifiable by independent references. The statements are fact not fiction. They are just as neutral and verifiable as the statements in the Purell article. You are assuming a person cannot write factual and verifiable information just because they are associated with a product. Please try to find one statement in the Germ Out article that is not verifiable, factual or informational. The information in the Germ Out article must be disseminated to the general public concerning the use of hand sanitizers for at least three very important reasons. One, combination antiseptics in hand sanitizers are significantly more effective than single antiseptics alone. Two, liquid antiseptics are significantly more effective than gel antiseptics and three, alcohol concentrations of 70 % are significantly more effective than alcohol concentrations 62% which are minimally effective. This is why the Germ Out article is of the utmost importance to Wikipedia and why these facts need to be available to the general public. --JSHibbard 01:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References 1 and 3 in this article do not exist. The references should either be updated or replaced. If the references do not exist, the sentences supported by the references should be removed. They are "Purell is the most popular hand sanitizer in the US" and "on June 27, 2006 Johnson & Johnson announced its acquisition of the Pfizer Consumer Healthcare division, which includes the Purell brand, for $16.6 billion". Neither of the sentences are currently supported by their references.--JSHibbard 15:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Isopropyl/Ethyl Alcohol

There's some inconsistency here. If Purell contains enough ethyl alcohol to get you drunk, then why isn't it listed as a main ingredient? It seems by smelling the product itself, I can confirm it is mostly isopropyl alcohol. What's the deal here? Drnathanfurious 23:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]