Talk:Gendarmerie

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Map

The map is incorrect: Turkey is NOT part of Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.132.12.191 (talk • contribs)

Feel free to update it. It's a bit outdated anyway. Mentatus 07:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pronounciation

How do you pronounce it? My computer is not displaying the IPA text correctly. Is it JEN- or GEN-? And which syllable has the emphasis? GENdarmerie? GenDARmerie? 205.174.22.28 23:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there is no syllabic emphasis in French.

In French, emphasis falls on the first syllable of any word, therefore is GEN-darmerie, which is acceptable but technically wrong in English. When pronounced in English, the emphasis should move to the second syllable, therefore becomes gen-DARM-erie. Mesoso2 16:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

USA Gendarmerie?

One could make a valid argument that the United States of America has at least two forces that might qualify as gendarmeries. The more famous such force is the United States Marshals Service. The other type of force would be the Special Weapons and Tactical forces that many major metropolitan police departments maintain. --Temlakos 13:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't classify either of those as gendarmeries. They are not military or military-style forces, which is the qualification for being a gendarmerie. Most gedarmeries are actually part of the army. Some, like the RCMP, are not, but the RCMP was still essentially a military police force on its formation, even if it's not any more. Most police forces in the world have heavy tactical units - it doesn't make them all soldiers or even military-style. And I'm not sure why you would classify the USMS as a gendarmerie. I can see no resemblance. -- Necrothesp 17:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Military body

"gendarmerie (French) is a military body"

In the case of RCMP, shouldn't we say "paramilitary" or "with military origins"? Apokrif 16:28, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with "Military Police"?

Given the fact that gendarmes fall under the umbrella of military police, might it better serve the reader if these two articles were merged?

No. While most gendarmeries are or were military police, they are distinct things. Most military police forces are not gendarmeries, since they do not police civilians. A link from there to here is sufficient. -- Necrothesp 13:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The two articles should certainly not be merged. Linguistically, Gendarmes do fall under the umbrella of military police, but the concept of gendarme is very distinctive and should have its own page. The concept of military police, as User:Necrothesp points out, is not that of policing civilians, which is gendarmes' main task.129.12.200.49 09:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, on the basis that the current article is large enough to stand on its own and thus corresponds to Wikipedia policy of merger vs. separation. For a similar example, see Israeli Military Police. -- Y Ynhockey ^(Talk) Y 16:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grenadier not Gendarmerie

I removed the following line:

A common gendarmerie symbol is a flaming grenade, originally the French gendarmerie symbol.

Due to the fact that the flaming grenade is a cap badge and symbol of Grenadier Regiments, and was both British and French.

[This edit added unsigned by 24.12.204.132 16 April]]

If the..

If the U.S. Coast Guard is a gendarmerie, surely the Norwegian border guards and coast guard would be, too. They're both military bodies with police duties over civilians. --Joffeloff 01:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Colombia?

Part of the Army? don't think so... together but not mixed. They are part of the Colombian Ministry of Defense and the army doesn't have any control over the national police. The Colombian Army has its own military police and its military justice. However due to conditions set by the War on drugs and the Colombian Armed conflict, the police force acts almost as a gendarmerie. --F3rn4nd0 ^{BLA BLA BLA} 23:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rendészeti Biztonsági Szolgálat - a Gendarmerie-type force?

As far as I can understand, the Rendészeti Biztonsági Szolgálat is more similar to the German Bereitschaftspolizei or the French Compagnies Républicaines de Sécurité - which in turn are not considered Gendarmerie forces. Mentatus 20:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Posse Comitatus Act of 1878

Does anyone think that the Posse Comitatus Act should be mentioned in this article? It may be relevant as it prevents the regular use of anything like a gendarmie in the US. Kazhivlad 00:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't and it never did nor was it intended too, it always allowed for the US Army to be used as a gendarnerie or constabulary in the west due to the lack of any real law enforcement, and it served to stop the military from enforcing laws that the local sheriffs in the Reconstruction south refude to enforce (for whatever reason). --71.242.127.31 14:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Poland

The map conflicts the list which cites "Poland: Żandarmeria Wojskowa". --194.204.12.40 16:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marshalcy

Is marshalcy a real word? I think not. Robbie69 14:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it is[1]--Victor falk 14:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the fact that it has fallen into disuse does not make it less of a word--Victor falk 14:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and anyway, as long as "X" is a dammit forgot the name for that type of noun, "X-cy" is an appropriate derivation--Victor falk 14:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Gendarmeries

The map show, shows place like Russia, Belarus, Ukraine without "Gendarmeries", i just want to point out that this is totally wrong and that "OMON", "SOBR" so on or whatever they are today called basicly all the paramilitary police forces of these nations interior ministrys are "Gendarmeries" of sort or another, hell the Russian OMON etc even took a significant role in both Chechen wars and are now actually dominating the scene there instead of conventional police forces.

Let me repeat they are / have para military police forces that are capable both real war combat operations and conventional or low intensity conflict policing, like omon that mass up to battalion strength..

Alone theres more than 20 000 OMON troops alone in Russia today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMON and there is scores of other units / groups in russia that have the similar mission and thousands of members, these are not regular police, nor military and not any kind of "swat" outfits even if some of these large units are capable of operating as such also.