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Sport (software)

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Delete was tagged speedy for copyvio but on discussion page the article's author claims to be the software developer himself. Anyway, no notability shown. Carlossuarez46 00:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please do not delete: Well, this is all rather hard to follow. I have just come back from the European Smalltalk User Group meeting where I gave a talk about Sport. Many people are interested in Sport. I had put together some notes on the OpenSkills wiki but it seemed to me that the Wikipedia would be a better place to record what sport *is* and use the OpenSkills wiki and the sourceforge page to manage the development of Sport. Anyway, no sooner do I make the Wikipedia page than I get all this fuss. What do I need to do to satisfy you guys? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.102.62 (talk) 06:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please do not delete: Further thoughts ... I don't understand what you guys mean by "notability", but taking the English I can tell you that Sport is notable for having unnified the Smalltalk community. There are now more Smalltalk libraries that work across (almost) all dialects than ever before. As for the "Blatant Advertising", well it is every bit as much advertising for every other software documented in Wikipedia, so fair cop on those grounds - but then don't you need to delete all articles on software? FWIW, Sport is a FOSS projects if that helps. Ah, yes. I need to work out your "Signature" code. Informally I can tell you that I am Bruce Badger and you'll note that I am logged in as I type. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbadger (talk • contribs)
REPLY Mr. Badger, welcome to Wikipedia and I hope you enjoy your experience participating in the encyclopedic process. One of the biggest problems with the Sport article is that all we have to go on is what you are personally telling us. As the creator of the software there is no way anyone could expect or require you to have a neutral point of view when writing about your subject. But it is absolutely important that all Wikipedia articles are presented neutrally. Also, even though you are undoubtedly an expert on the subject, Wikipedia can't just "take your word for it" on anything that you might be able to inform us about. That doesn't mean that we doubt your knowledge-- it's just the difference between an encyclopedia and a magazine. A magazine can publish Original research and can move very quickly to publish new information. An encyclopedia has to wait until other secondary sources have given the subject some coverage first, and then it reports what happened in the secondary sources.OfficeGirl 14:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (that seems to be the word by convention - I hope that's OK). Thank you for the reply. I guess the thing that surprised me most was the speed with which the article was marked for deletion. I had only just started writing the thing and wham marked for delete. I do understand the points you are making (I think). As with many FOSS projects while many people are interested, few people get involved. In the case of Sport, you will see that I have included links to the ESUG conference where sport was discussed (the official notes from the meeting are not out yet, but I can link to them when they are), I have linked to the SourceForge project where code contributed by many people is held, and I have linked to the OpenSkills wiki where I started putting together the documentation before thinking the Wikipedia would be a place since Sport is widely used. For an idea of how widely consider the list of supported dialects (on the Sport page). I have indeed written two of those, but all the other were written by other people - they are listed on the OpenSkills wiki page. You can see Sport being discussed on comp.lang.smalltalk and I think that supports the point that Sport is not a Bruce Badger only thing - in fact Sport is a key part of a wider programme within the Smalltalk community to re-awaken the ANSI process for Smalltalk. So, beyond all this what can I do to keep this page on Wikipedia? (I still don't get the signing thing, but I (Bruce Badger) am logged in as I type this).
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