Talk:Anathema (band)

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Statistics

Why do you have a problem with the statistics section? It's quite a nice quick overview and quite common among metal bands' entries Spearhead 10:38, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Statistics section is obsolete. It's just repeating the information already present in the introductory paragraph. It doesn't add to the article in any useful way. I don't mean it as an insult, but shouldn't you worry about improving the article instead of inserting again something I have obsoleted through careful editing? --Sn0wflake 00:43, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

And just to add another point: most articles about metal bands are one-liners with a lot of useless filler such as "Statistics" and "Related genres" and "See also" and "Similar bands" which don't add in any way to the article. It's pure filler. "My" (notice the "s) articles have a clear intention: give the person the information he or she is looking for, whitout throwing information they don't want or need. --Sn0wflake 01:40, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion there are at least two things to be said for inclusion of a Statistics section. One important aspect is that of uniformity: it would be great if all the band pages on Wiki had at least something of a predictable lay-out. Secondly, a Statistics section would be fine for convenience's sake becaues it easily allows one to check e.g. the country of origin of the band. Compare it with e.g. the infoboxes on pages belonging to countries, cities and musical genres. They generally also don't contain much if any information that can't be extracted from the article, but are still good because they add to the overview. Joost 10:39, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Okay, so let's evaluate what is present on the Statistics section, in four lines (from a random article):

Genre: Death metal, Grindcore
Country: UK
Status: Active
Time: 1986-

And now what is present on a simple textual description, four lines:

English, Liverpool, deloper of doom metal, founded in 1990, original name Pagan Angel.

Damn, now I am left wondering wether knowing if the band is still active is all that important when you are going to read the article anyway. Do you see mine (and of pretty much ALL of the other editors) point of view, now? --Sn0wflake 15:39, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Founders of doom metal?

I disagree with that assessment. My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost and Anathema are often credited with developing Doom-Death, but Doom Metal itself was done earlier by bands like Candlemass (and arguably Black Sabbath as well).

Discography images

I don't know who it was but someone included a rather lenghty discography on this page with album pics. Since I gave Anathema's albums a complete overhaul on their individual pages I thought it was quite useless to keep the images on the main page. You can now click on each release and see the chronology of albums. Cheers. --Steerpike 14:24, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Genre?

I have been listening to "A Fine Day To Exit" and I want to know about the genre of Anathema. I was under the impression that they are metal, but this sounds very AltRock to me. Not that I have a problem with AltRock, it's just not what I was expecting. Opinions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andy5190 (talk • contribs).

Read the article's second sentence. :) Their sound has changed much over the years. --Piet Delport 05:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh... yeah, :D, I'm stupid. Thanks for the info! --Andy Blak 05:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anathema are doom.

You can't definitely say ,that Anathema are not a founders of doom metal. Anathema are one of the most important doom metal bands and they still (even) play the doom metal with more influences from prog rock, Alternative rock and early 70-NWOBH. Anathema are one of the founders of more soft doom metal subgenre-"pop doom" not typical newer goth doom. It's a sunbgenre of early doom metal, that shift from the metallic side of doom became more 70-heavy rock and typical newer British rock/pop. Anathema are not doom-"metal" anymore ,but one band who incorporated a strong Black Sabbath-influence and soft alternative/progressive rock/pop. This is a reason why I considered Anathema to the one part of doom metal/rock-scene. And when Anathema start the playing, they playing a Traditional doom metal and mix it with death metal influences, but they were more Traditional doomy metal than other death/doom groups at this time. Anathema owns their unique sabbathique sound.

In the beginning Anathema most certainly was a founder of the genre. Accurately, they are mentioned alongside My Dying Bride and Paradise Lost, and if you listen to albums from these two from this time period, there is a recognizeable similarity. There is no way you can call them not a founder.

Though they were the first to break from the typical doom formula first (of these three), and have branched the furthest out, they do of course retain a lot of the feel, even with the instrumentation being so far removed. If you look at contemporary MDB and Paradise Lost, they have changed much too (with MDB staying the most traditional) but in my opinion both have also taken on some degree of the "progressive" element that Anathema has.

The band I would connect them to most closely though is Katatonia. The main argument against this here is that Katatonia is not often listed with the beginning of the doom genre, because they are not British like the rest. this usually makes them more analagous to Opeth. They and Anathema both have their first [doom] LPs in 93, both have the transitional album in 98, and then having more of a progressive sound from then on, a more similar adaptation of it than the other founders. (Though Katatonia maintains more metal in their riffs, and has a different lyrical theme) –Pomte 20:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing with gothic

Neither in their metal career,nor now,Anathema had used gothic elements in their music. Please stop adding "Gothic" label.

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"Turning Points"

The 2nd, 3rd and 4th album all are said to be the turning point in anathema's career. Anathema, supposedly, released one "real" album, had a 3 album "turning point," and then just died off? That's the vibe I'm getting from them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.78.225.72 (talk • contribs) 2007-07-21 07:29:52 (UTC)

They Die 7 and We Are the Bible

The 7 are not on the Discography

There's: -They Die 7" (1992 7" Witchhunt Records) with "They Die" on the A side and "Crestfallen" on the B side; -We Are the Bible (1994 7" VILECC6) with "Nailed to the Cross / 666" on the A side and "Eternal Rise of the Sun" on the B side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.212.145.99 (talk) 17:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it's on the singles, I didn't saw that.