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Method of action

I would qualify this substance as an inhalant, akin to inhaling gasoline fumes. If you read Erowid trip reports on gasoline (under inhalants) you will find similar stories. See [1] and [2]. If you also read reports from other gases (butane, propane, etc), the reports are also similar. --Thoric 23:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you not consider an indole-related psychoactive compound as a likely agent? __meco 19:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unless you have a chemical analysis of this "jenkem" substance and isolating the molecule responsible for the effects, we cannot know that it is an indole compound. Indole is a solid which can degrade into methane and carbon dioxide -- both of which, when inhaled (displacing oxygen) will produce the effects which you describe, as will numerous other gases. Did you read the Erowid trip reports on gasoline, butane and propane? --Thoric 19:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I vote for inhalant as well since it seems likely methane is the main thing causing their trip. --24.151.119.117 20:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We know that jenkem is fermented sewage, so I don't understand your hesitation at acknowledging the very real possibility that an indole component, which we know must be present (at least from the onset of fermentation), may be the psychoactive agent. There are of course lots of questions that must be answered, however, discarding a psychoactive indole alkaloid as the possible causal agent on equal terms with methane, which as you have documented also constitutes a contender, I find curious, if that is how you perceive these two asserted alternatives. __meco 21:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We know that sewage gas contains methane and carbon dioxide. We do not know that "jenkem" contains anything else without sufficient analysis. Therefore, we cannot conclude that the effects are due to unknown hypothesized indole-related constituents. Furthermore, out of a great number of indole-related substances, very few have psychoactive effects. Finally, both methane and carbon dioxide are known to be able to alter consciousness in line with reports and commentary from interviewing jenkem users. Before we can state with any authority that jenkem contains indole-related hallucinogens, we must have supporting evidence. --Thoric 22:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There has never been suggested that any such authoritative statement should be made. The point of discussion is whether it's appropriate not to mention the possibility that an indole-compound might be the (or "a") hallucinogenic agent on par with methane and carbon dioxide. __meco 08:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I may have misunderstood. Yes, it is acceptable to mention such as long as we can cite a reference for it. --Thoric 21:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Psychoactive Methane?

I don't think the claim that Methane facilitates psychedelic experiences is valid or the citation provided relevant; methane is a non toxic asphyxiant and the amount needed to cause significant oxygen deprivation is higher than what can be achieved from huffing from a plastic bottle. --84.92.184.12 01:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the citation which you removed? Until we get a complete chemical analysis of jenkem, the closest match from inhalation of a potentially similar mixture of gases (methane, carbon dioxide, and possibly ethanol) is the citation I added. Until you have a better claim, and have something to back it up, this is the best explanation available. I suggest you do some more research on the inhalation of various gases, and the resulting effects. --Thoric 15:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have and the fact of the matter is that methane does not 'facilitate psychedelic experiences' any more than any other gas. Your citation states that a reduction in oxygen can cause an hypnotic state which 'may' cause hallucination. Any sort of psychedelic experience from asphyxia is abnormal regardless and Jenkem users appear to be getting a consistent effect.--84.92.184.12 23:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Psychedelic experiences from inhaling substances is very well documented. Please see the inhalant article. Please also see Erowid reports on inhaling gases -- it does not have to be a large amount. People who inhale Jenkem choose it secondary to sniffing gasoline. If you have some expertise on Jenkem use, please provide some citations of your own, but please do not remove valid citations from this article. --Thoric 20:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's about as meaningless as saying psychedelic experiences from taking pills is well documented, then trying to claim asprin causes hallucinations. Unlike solvents and other commonly abused inhalants, methane is not physiologically active. I have provided a citation (the MSDS) which shows this to be the case.--84.92.184.12 21:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Original research

While methane and carbon dioxide are known products of the chemical processes involved when sewage is fermented, no information bar speculations exist as to the identity of the psychoactive agent or agents within the compound. However, Methane is biologically inactive and essentially non-toxic [1]. Human feces itself is known to contain several indole alkaloids, and while some well-known psychedelic drugs are in fact indoles, it is not known if any of the indoles present in human feces have psychoactive properties, nor whether these could become part of the gaseous substance that is known as jenkem.

As it stands, the above is original research because it's original synthesis of background information, rather than reporting published theories on what jenkem might be. 86.140.108.192 13:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Council of Conservative Citizens has opened a thread on Jenkem. __meco 01:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nyce! Wish it had more infos. Cheers -Doctorfluffy 22:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, this doesn't seem to be a discussion thread. However, I have created a "Google Alert" on "Jenkem" and several forums are discussing this issue, mostly in shock and disgust, or snidely racist as for instance the white supremacist forum of Stormfront (Jenkem thread). __meco 07:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Cruft" removed

The above was removed in this edit by User:Chaser with the edit commentary: "clearing out cruft". __meco 07:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An alleged confidential alert from a County Sheriff’s Office in Naples, Florida asserts that Jenkem has now gained widespread popularity in American schools (this section's headline being a direct quote from the intercepted letter). I suppose this means imminent big media coverage if the letter is authentic. __meco 13:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I love jenkem and hope that's real, but I tend not to trust random forum posts. I've trolled a lot and that's exactly like something I would do. D-Fluff has had E-Nuff 20:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, some media outlet is probably going to check on the veracity of this. We'll have to wait and see what comes of this, if anything. __meco 10:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First mainstream media reports

Although not specific, this forum post states that the Jenkem phenomenon has been the topic of US radio mention. __meco 08:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

recycling category?

Made me laugh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.199.45 (talk) 12:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It has been (and probably still is) controversial, however, unusual as it may be, I believe a valid argument will conclude that Jenkem should be perceived as a recycling phenomenon also. __meco 09:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's totally absurd. A "recycling phenomenon" would require an intent to reuse for the sake thereof. If the use of jenkem is going to be considered recycling, then picking up a stray brick and smashing someone over the head with it is also recycling. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 00:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That would be reusing.. not recycling. - :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.103.216.66 (talk) 03:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hoax

Is this just one great big hoax? I'm highly sceptical. In this day and age it's quite possible for fakery to circulate widely online. And even if someone says "I tried this, it did absolutely nothing", the hoaxers just come back with "well you must have got it wrong". M0ffx 01:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The information in this article is verifiable by reliable sources. Do you have a better reason for adding the hoax tag than "this seems fake to me"? Doctorfluffy 03:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The information in this article was completely made up by a member of &totse named Pickwick. [3]
  1. ^ Methane MSDS: http://www.isocinfo.com/DocumentRoot/13/Methane.pdf
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