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This is an article about Morgan Quitno. Why is 2/3 of the article dedicated to just one of their reports? --Millbrooky 04:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms

Somewhere on this page, if the section about the Most Dangerous Cities is kept, needs to be a section about criticisms to Morgan Quitno's methodologies. Of particular note is that the FBI recommends agaist comparing cities using the very data Morgan Quitno uses in their crime studies. --Millbrooky 04:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This has since been done. -- Beland 00:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed

I removed the following text because it is unreferenced and seems to present an original analysis. The conclusion reached is also dubious. The differences could easily be due to differences between the cities' core areas and suburbs. -- Beland 00:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with Morgan Quitno's "cities" ranking becomes evident when compared to Morgan Quitno's own most dangerous metro area rankings. Morgan Quitno puts Houston at number 22 out of 344 metro areas, but places St. Louis more than 100 slots lower (safer) at 129, with no explanation for the implausible disparity in the rankings between the two lists, inviting charges of flawed analysis.


I don't disagree with removing the words. But I do believe the criticism is valid. Does anyone really believe that crime in the core of St. Louis is radically higher than crime in the core of Houston? And then, does one really believe that crime in the suburbs of St. Louis is virtually non-existent compared to crime in the suburbs of Houston? It doesn't pass the giggle test. And it is not hard to see why. Morgan Quitno uses a politcal boundary for the cities list which may or may not happen to include normal metro area high or low crime areas. By foolishly ranking cities with suburbs included against cities with suburbs not included, any useful information about one's relative safety in the core of Houston vs. the core of St. Louis, or conversly one's relative safety in the suburbs of either is completely scrambled. How can the city rankings vs. metro area rankings be flipped so radically unless there is something wrong with the science? But the media loves junk science, especially when the shocking news appears to be counter-intuitive to experience. Gary Kreie 15:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the following words should be removed from the article:

Chicago would be #52 in "Most Dangerous" rankings if calculated on 5 crimes except rape.

There is no study that supports this statement. Morgan Quitno left Chicago out altogether because it could not reconcile the way data is collected in Illinois with the rest of the data. I have read that there are irreconcilable difference in Illinois data vs. other states, such as -- some states only report the most serious charge in a combination crime, where other states report all charges. So in a breakin, theft, and rape, only rape would be reported. In metro areas that include cities in Illinois, such as St. Louis metro area, Morgan Quitno had to extrapolate data from similar non-Illionois cities. It is too complicated to declare that anyone can rank Chicago anywhere by removing the rape statistic. The FBI warns against this kind of ranking, Morgan Quitno doesn't believe it can rank Chicago at all. We should not accept the statement above in the Morgan Quitno subject area. If the author of that line is an expert himself, the line can be moved to his entry in Wikipedia with his accompanying analysis. Anyone agree?

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