Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 16

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16 November 2007

The MacCast

UNDELETE_REASON -- Phylaxis (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC) I am writing to request that you re-list the page related to my podcast. I currently have a page listing my bio here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Christianson and the Wiki link to the information on the podcast itself is a dead since this page was removed. Alphachimp de-listed the page citing CSD A7 - Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. My podcast is listened to by over 25,000 people worldwide each week. I would argue that is "significant". The show provides entertainment value on par or equal to that of other radio and video shows that are listed elsewhere on Wikipedia. Please reconsider the decision to remove this content. Thank you.[reply]

Latitude group

This page was speedy deleted on the basis that they were an advertisment/spam. This may have been the case however I believe that the company in question is in factnotable per WP:NN as it has recieved significant coverage by reliable secondary sources independant of the subject. These include Deloitte [1], The Financial Times [2] and The Daily Telegraph [3] as well as numerous other sources [4], [5], [6], [7] the company and those associated with it have also won several awards [8], [9], [10]. If successful I would also like to nominate Latitude White - a page speedy deleted for similar reasons - which covered a subgroup of the company. If restored some of this content could be merged into the main article. Guest9999 12:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Undelete as the deleted article wasn't purely blatant advertising... the infobox and the 1st/3rd paragraphs for example wouldn't need to be totally gutted to write a decent article on this subject. G11 is really only for pages that contain nothing we'd use in a hypothetical good article on a subject. --W.marsh 14:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse speedy deletion. Note that the listed page was only a redirect to the former article Latitude Group. The page was about a web advertising and "search engine optimization" firm. AFAIAC businesses such as this need to be scrutinized very closely to make sure that they meet WP:CORP. They do not market consumer products that attract truly independent reviews.
More importantly, their business involves gaming the Internet for promotional purposes. The former text was quite bad and reeked of conflict of interest, neutrality issues, and puffery: Latitude’s stated aim is to help companies achieve the best possible position on search engines’ results pages and obtain high click through rates and ROI from online marketing. Latitude’s services are underpinned by COBRA, a unique bespoke bidding, reporting and tracking software product that has Microsoft Gold Accreditation . . (Do we need the barbarous word bespoke?)
Recognition within internet advertising industry publications and awards is not really enough to get this one over the hump; and, like I said, businesses like this need to be scrutinized very strictly and don't get the benefit of a doubt. Suggest that the result of an AfD on this article would be a foregone conclusion. - Smerdis of Tlön 15:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:CORP - which you mentioned - states "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject." The company has been written about extensively by Deloitte [11], The Financial Times [12] and The Daily Telegraph [13] - how do these not count as reliable secondary sources, independant of the subject. Are you suggesting that a non-notable company managed to "game" two major national newspapers and a big four financial services firm. The former text may have had COI and NPOV issues but with the curent number of reliable sources available it could be cleaned up and made into a decent article. [[-- Guest9999 (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)]][reply]

Endorse speedy deletion absolutely correct application of WP:CSD. Carlossuarez46 16:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse deletion I have speedily deleted an article about a subsidiary, Latitude White, and nominated an article about the CEO for AFD, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Thwaites. If somebody unaffiliated with the company would like to start a properly sourced article, I have no objection. The former articles were utterly unsuitable for an encyclopedia. If an editor would like me to retrieve a copy of the old article into their userspace so they can copy the infobox, I would be happy to do that. Also, there should just be one article, not separate articles on the company, its subsidiaries, and its CEO. There isn't enough to say right now for more than one article. - Jehochman ^Talk 16:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Labour India Publications

Labour India is a notable ISO_9000:2000 International Organization certified by American Quality Assessors, because the activities are national and international. This org is associated with education (national and international schools), publications, educational journals, newspaper and currently ventured into the arena of tourism. Associated articles are: Labour India Gurukulam Public School, Bluefield International Academy, Santhosh George Kulangara, Sancharam etc. and there are also more ref I can furnish such as news articles and all. (search for "Labour India Publications" in google, more than 600 results So I request for retrieval of deleted article. Avinesh Jose 08:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this user is abusing the process by simultaneously running this DRV and recreating the material in blatant disregard to what the outcome of the review s/he initiated here may be. This appears to be a WP:GAME violation. Carlossuarez46 16:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick A. Reid

I closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick A. Reid as a pretty obvious keep. It has since been brought to my attention that the content is very similar to Patrick Alexander (cartoonist), an article deleted in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Alexander (cartoonist), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Alexander (cartoonist) (2nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 October 5, and this fact was not mentioned in the original discussion. I'm bringing it here to decide what to do with it. Hut 8.5 07:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete The stealth recreation of this article under a different title has done nothing to address the arguments that have now been done to death numerous times. The same concerns still apply which led to the article's deletion and the subsequent endorsement in the review, even given the fact it's been sat there for well over a month now. If anything, given that the name of the subject is apparently so unimportant that it can be swapped and changed around at will, the claim to notability now appears even more flimsy. It may be worth noting the user responsible for the stealth rehash of this article was made aware of the procedure of resubmition in the deletion discussion, so one starts to question the motives at play here. Hen Features 08:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete G4, another WP:GAME violation of which we're seeing many in DRV land lately. Carlossuarez46 16:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Manuela Darling-Gansser

Contribution deleted by Sandstein because of CSDA7. Reason unjustified as Darling-Gansser is renowned author of cook and travel books in Australia, has written numerous articles for major australian newspapers and weekly magazines (incl. Womans Day), artciles for Swiss magazines, is a repeat guest on Australian lifestyle TV shows and has been a guest speaker to cancer charities. her books have been translated into dutch and she has a strong following in Switzerland, Canada, South Africa, Italy and an even stronger one in Australia. She has a long history of famous cooks in her family. I'm one of many passionate amature cooks in Australia who are taken aback by the fact that such a person can not be included in your user orientated encyclopedia. If there are changes that have to be made to the content then i'll be happy to edit the page but to delete it all together with no notification is unjustifiable. thank you. -- Birri85 (talk · contribs · logs) 01:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moved here from Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 11 by Aecis (talk · contribs)

I found one at November 17. -- Jreferee t/c 02:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: some of the claims to notability in the article are quite vague. Could you explain which television shows she has appeared in? And could you give us some more information on for instance sales figures of her books? Has she worked for any important restaurants? Such information could establish her notability. A ecis^Brievenbus 01:22, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Overturn - Contributor to lifestyle magazines and appeared as a repeat guest on Australian television shows is enough to get it past CSD A7 importance/significance indication requirement. -- Jreferee t/c 02:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"'Reply'": I can tell you what i know, but as i;m not her business manager etc i don't know the exact extent or the figures of her success, but i'll be revising the article with further information and am confident that others will add their knowledge on the subject. Darling-Gansser has been a repeat guest on channel 9 popular TV show 'FRESH', she has written for Vogue Entertaining and Travel, Voi Tutti and Womans Day (plus others that i can't recall), has been the guest speaker on ABC and Adelaide Radio, she has guest lectured at the italian school Dante Aligherie, has been the celebrity cook for charity fundraisers (ie. cancer and homeless youth). Yet it is her 3 books (soon to be a 4th and then kids cookbooks) that sell in over 15 countries that are the most notable attributes. please don't deny her thousands of supporters around the world the right to this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birri85 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Jreferee thanks for your input. You agree with me that CSDA7 is unjustified and since you are an administrator could you please restore my entry. i'll be sure to refernence it and add citations where appropriate. Thanks.--Birri85 04:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting admin's comment: Writing articles and being on TV is not an assertion of one of WP:BIO's factors of notability. I'll restore the article myself if references to multiple substantial coverage of this person by reliable sources are provided. Sandstein 06:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse deletion no assertion of notability, vague comments are not enough: what you need to do is assert notability (see WP:BIO, which doesn't say being on TV makes you notable for example or writing a book makes you notable). Carlossuarez46 16:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

N-Dubz

Created and deleted an enormous number of times, accumulating an AfD and a salting along the way. It's since been re-created 4 times as n-dubz (which is also salted) and 3 times as N Dubz as well. Why would so many different people recreate an article on a non-notable band? Simple; the band isn't non-notable. They've clocked two chart hits in the UK this year, including one that peaked at #26 this month. I'd like to have this Unsalted (along with n-dubz) so I can establish a decent article for the group. Chubbles 00:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unsalt - Chubbles hasn't let us down yet. In addition, there is reliable source material avaiable and their coverage by news sources seems to be increasing: BBC news, here's a bunch. 'da gonna blow up so we might as well be ready. -- Jreferee t/c 02:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]