Talk:MY Steve Irwin

Grammar on this page needs a major cleanup

Should this page include a better discussion of the recent capture of 2 crewmen by the Whaling fleet? It is linked from the front page as if it were a news story, but there is only a sentence or 2 about the story. 192.84.89.129 (talk) 00:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

What does MY stand for? --Itinerant1 (talk) 01:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Motor Yacht - not sure if this is an accurate description for this ship (It seems more a Motor Vessel), but that is how they describe it on the owner's web page.Seaphoto^Talk 03:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

On January 15, 2008 two members of the crew of the vessel illegally boarded the Japanese whaling vessel Yashin Maru No. 2 without permission to present a letter to its captain.

Illegally boarded? What law to you believe they are breaking? I think that passage should read - On January 15, 2008 two members of the crew of the vessel boarded the Japanese whaling vessel Yashin Maru No. 2 without permission to present a letter of protest to its captain. --Gavin77

Certainly you don't need both "illegally boarded" and "without permission" in the same sentance. I see an editor just removed the latter. Personally, I am fine with either phrase, but using both is reduntant.Seaphoto^Talk 03:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone changed the phrase to legally boarded; I reverted it back to "illegally boarded". It might be redundant to repeat the same thing twice; but it's a complete bias if neither phrase is mentioned.--White Requiem (talk) 08:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Illegally boarded is definitely the better wording IMHO. The boarding was almost definitely illegal as I'm pretty sure there are laws against boarding another boat without permission. Government agents may be allowed but definitely not self-appointed watchdogs. You may not agree with the law, but it remains the law. [1] also supports the fact that this action was almost definitely illegal Nil Einne (talk) 09:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Hostages

Hostages is clearly a POV term in this case and should not be used except in verbatim quotation from sources which use the term Nil Einne (talk) 10:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Needs sorting

From the intro: MV Steve Irwin is a 59-meter (195-foot) conservation enforcement ship owned by Sea Shepherd. The vessel was built in 1975 and was a Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency patrol boat for 28 years.

The vessel was previously named the MV Robert Hunter after Canadian Robert Hunter

This should be rewritten to say that when owned by Sea Shepherd, it was previously called MV Robert Hunter. I'm sure it wasn't called that when it was a Scottish Fisheries vessel. The phrasing reads very ambiguously/unclearly. 86.133.214.216 (talk) 11:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)