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Wesley Warren

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Aside from COI issues, I don't believe the subject of this article is notable. He is an artist who opened a coffeeshop and now runs a web design firm. A few local news sources list his coffeeshop, and one story is actually about him. But I don't see the lasting notability and recommend Delete. // Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 03:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete—straightforward vanity, self-promotion page. —johndburger 04:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the hundreds of patrons who have collected his work over the past 15 years would disagree. Further more Java Street was not just a coffeeshop - it was the cultural center of St. Petersbur in the mid 90's where thousands of artists, poets and musicians performed and found exposure in a floundering art scene.

Do Not Delete —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.160.70.246 (talk) 05:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, 74.160.70.246 is possibly User:Vexcom, who created the page in question—note the IP's edits. WP:SOCK does not appear to apply, but the connection seemed worth noting. —johndburger 00:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete shouldn't get his 15 mins of fame here. Dreamspy (talk) 13:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's amusing but I could care less if it stays or goes - Dreamspy if you think this is 15 minutes of fame perhaps you either A) Overvalue wikipedia or B) Don't get out enough WesleyEWarren (talk) 15:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, the page was created by User:Vexcom, also the name of Warren's company. Again, no evidence of puppetry, but I thought it worth noting. —johndburger 00:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hence the COI tag on Wesley Warren. // Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 00:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yah, but User:WesleyEWarren was created in the meantime—I thought it worth noting that the page creator and all of the dissenters are possibly the same person, or at least closely related. —johndburger 03:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Standard self-promotion as he has done elsewhere on the net. The 'art' is hardly exceptional either. Nunquam Dormio (talk) 20:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nunquam - Your opinion of my work is "hardly exceptional". Why dont you give me your opinion on what "exceptional" artwork is so I can redefine my beliefs based on your uneducated critique of my paintings. WesleyEWarren (talk) 19:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"hardly exceptional" was my diplomatic way of saying "complete crap" Nunquam Dormio (talk) 21:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Hanging artwork on the walls of a coffee shop you run is self nomination. Rest of the references are trivial. So wont pass WP:BIO. Fountains of Bryn Mawr

- "Hanging artwork on the walls of a coffee shop you run?" Have you even read the entry? My work has been sold in numerous galleries in 4 states. I've produced hundreds of pieces of art. WesleyEWarren (talk) 19:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(talk) 23:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Creative professionals
Scientists, academics, economists, professors, authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, engineers, and other creative professionals:
The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WesleyEWarren (talk • contribs)
Yes, but you left out the crucial bit: "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." (I've added the emphasis). Please see WP:V for what would count for "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". freshacconcispeaktome 20:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Freshacconci but you are wrong - the criteria for Creative Professional is met by any of the lines listed - I quoted the appropriate one - the bit you cite is not "crucial" as you say, it is optional as are all the items listed, only one criteria needs to be met, and I have been written up in multiple peridocals, they may be 20 years old and never transfered to the internet but they exists. I suppose I could scan them and upload them If you like. WesleyEWarren (talk) 20:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just a while ago it was "I could care less if it stays or goes" but now WesleyEWarren doth protest too much. Nunquam Dormio (talk) 21:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

-- That was before people started insulting me. Now I have decided to turn my attention to it. WesleyEWarren (talk) 21:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but verifiability is never "optional". Take a look at that policy, and if your sources meet the standards, I for one may consider changing my !vote. // Chris (complaints)•(contribs) 20:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention that "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors" still requires verifiability. And you're written up in 20 year old periodicals? When you were 17? freshacconcispeaktome 21:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

-- You a math wiz Freshacconi- The issue date is 1990, so its 18 years ago and I was 20 - would you like me to upload the article scan for you to read? (The optional comment related to the list of Conditions under Creative Professionals - there is a list of 5 items - all five do not need to be met, one of the five need to be met - this makes the remaining 4 optional - i did'nt mean that the entire case for verifiability is optional) WesleyEWarren (talk) 21:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • WesleyEWarren: "I have been written up in multiple peridocals, they may be 20 years old..." . So that would make it 1988 by your information above, so you'd be 18. You said nothing about it being from 1990. I can only go by the info you gave us. Try some civility. freshacconcispeaktome 22:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiabilty The St. Petersburg Times is one of the most respected newspapers in the Country. http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/access/51843096.html?dids=51843096:51843096&FMT=FT&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Jun+13%2C+1994&author=PIPER+CASTILLO&pub=St.+Petersburg+Times&edition=&startpage=3&desc=Java+Street+brings+art+and+late-night+coffee+downtown+Series%3A+BUSINESS+DIGEST"

"The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors" Here are peer reviews: http://www.linkedin.com/in/designquote "Recommended 7 people have recommended Wesley E. Warren" WesleyEWarren (talk) 21:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per Freshacconci. A write-up about a new coffee shop in a local newspaper can't support the claim that the artist is notable as "widely cited by their peers", or any of the WP:BIO criteria. Perhaps it's a notable cofee-shop, but you'll need to check WP:CORP. (By the way, I know it should be irrelevant to the AfD discussion, but I don't think the inclusion of the artist's work particularly helps the case for keep).--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 21:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The St. Petersburg Times article is about Warren as a coffee-shop owner, not an artist. And a link from linkedin.com is of dubious quality per WP:V, esp. per Wikipedia:V#Reliable_sources. freshacconcispeaktome 22:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I beg to differ Ethicoaestheticist From the article (which clearly cites the fact that I am an artists):

A graduate of the Visual and Performing Arts High School in St. Louis, Warren's first love has always been his art. Now, his life is complete with his coffeehouse serving a dual role: business and art gallery. His paintings line the walls of Java Street and in the coming months, he hopes to solicit area artists to use Java Street to display and sell their wares.

Warren, who moved to St. Petersburg to escape the Midwest's cold weather, says his business knowledge came to him indirectly. He spent the last two years living near the campus of Ohio State University in Columbus, where he freelanced graphic designs and frequented coffeehouses with the Columbus art crowd.

"Coffeehouses serve artists well," he says. "It's a easy way for them to get their work seen. I watched more than five coffeehouses open. While doing work for several of them, I learned the business."

Freshacconci - if your reference above is regarding the fact that my paintings were on the walls when I opened for business, then I fail to see the issue. I opened a Coffee House / Gallery, no one had been there yet so when I opened my doors I had paintings hanging up = this doesn't help my case how?

http://www.wesleywarren.com/images/breakfastofchampions.jpg

WesleyEWarren (talk) 22:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Delete - Wes is a well respected business owner in Atlanta and a very accomplished artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennexner (talk • contribs) 22:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC) — Jennexner (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Do Not Delete - Wesley is a great artist and runs a great company. He is CEO and founder of Vexcom, Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpsado (talk • contribs) 23:13, 29 February 2008— Jpsado (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

DO NOT DELETE - Wes is well known and respected in the design industry - Scott Seiter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.32.197 (talk) 23:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC) — 74.129.32.197 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Verifiabilty: Article Scanned And Uploaded surFACE Magazine Volume II, Issue IV February 15, 1990

St. Louis Arts and Entertainment

http://www.wesleywarren.com/Surface_Article.jpg

This should lay the discussion to rest. There are now 4 new sitations listed.

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