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I am the main operator of User:COIBot. If you feel that your name is wrongly on the COI reports list because of an unfortunate overlap between your username and a certain link or text, please ask for whitelisting by starting a new subject on my talkpage. For a better answer please include some specific 'diffs' of your edits (you can copy the link from the report page). If you want a quicker response, make your case at WT:WPSPAM or WP:COIN.
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I will respond to talk messages where they started, trying to keep discussions in one place (you may want to watch this page for some time after adding a question). Otherwise I will clearly state where the discussion will be moved/copied to. Though, with the large number of pages I am watching, it may be wise to contact me here as well if you need a swift response. If I forget to answer, poke me.

I preserve the right not to answer to non-civil remarks, or subjects which are covered in this talk-header.

ON EXTERNAL LINK REMOVAL

There are several discussions about my link removal here, and in my archives. If you want to contact me about my view of this policy, please read and understand WP:NOT, WP:EL, WP:SPAM and WP:A, and read the discussions on my talkpage or in my archives first.

My view in a nutshell:
External links are not meant to tunnel people away from the wikipedia.

Hence, I will remove external links on pages where I think they do not add to the page (per WP:NOT#REPOSITORY and WP:EL), or when they are added in a way that wikipedia defines as spam (understand that wikipedia defines spam as: '... wide-scale external link spamming ...', even if the link is appropriate; also read this). This may mean that I remove links, while similar links are already there or which are there already for a long time. Still, the question is not whether your link should be there, the question may be whether those other links should be there (again, see the wording of the policies and guidelines).

Please consider the alternatives before re-adding the link:

  • If the link contains information, use the information to add content to the article, and use the link as a reference (content is not 'see here for more information').
  • Add an appropriate linkfarm like {{dmoz}} (you can consider to remove other links covered in the dmoz).
  • Incorporate the information into one of the sister projects.
  • Add the link to other mediawiki projects aimed at advertiseing (see e.g. this)

If the linkspam of a certain link perseveres, I will not hesitate to report it to the wikiproject spam for blacklisting (even if the link would be appropriate for wikipedia). It may be wise to consider the alternatives before things get to that point.

The answer in a nutshell
Please consider if the link you want to add complies with the policies and guidelines.

If you have other questions, or still have questions on my view of the external link policy, disagree with me, or think I made a mistake in removing a link you added, please poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page. If you absolutely want an answer, you can try to poke the people at WT:EL or WT:WPSPAM on your specific case. Also, regarding link, I can be contacted on IRC, channel [1].

Reliable sources

I convert inline URL's into references and convert referencing styles to a consistent format. My preferred style is the style provided by cite.php (<ref> and <references/>). When other mechanisms are mainly (but not consistently) used (e.g. {{ref}}/{{note}}/{{cite}}-templates) I will assess whether referencing would benefit from the cite.php-style. Feel free to revert these edits when I am wrong.

Converting inline URLs in references may result in data being retrieved from unreliable sources. In these cases, the link may have been removed, and replaced by a {{cn}}. If you feel that the page should be used as a reference (complying with wp:rs!!), please discuss that on the talkpage of the page, or poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page

Note: I am working with some other developers on mediawiki to expand the possibilities of cite.php, our attempts can be followed here and here. If you like these features and want them enabled, please vote for these bugs.

Stub/Importance/Notability/Expand/Expert

I am in general against deletion, except when the page really gives misinformation, is clear spam or copyvio. Otherwise, these pages may need to be expanded or rewritten. For very short articles there are the different {{stub}} marks, which clearly state that the article is to be expanded. For articles that do not state why they are notable, I will add either {{importance}} or {{notability}}. In my view there is a distinct difference between these two templates, while articles carrying one of these templates may not be notable, the first template does say the article is probably notable enough, but the contents does not state that (yet). The latter provides a clear concern that the article is not notable, and should probably be {{prod}}ed or {{AfD}}ed. Removing importance-tags does not take away the backlog, it only hides from attention, deleting pages does not make the database smaller. If you contest the notability/importance of an article, please consider adding an {{expert-subject}} tag, or raise the subject on an appropriate wikiproject. Remember, there are many, many pages on the wikipedia, many need attention, so maybe we have to live with a backlog.

Having said this, I generally delete the {{expand}}-template on sight. The template is in most cases superfluous, expansion is intrinsic to the wikipedia (for stubs, expansion is already mentioned in that template).

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It is

It is great that you think that this can be talked through, but what do you expect to get out from a guy who guy does not respect the Wikipedia rules and evades his block by editing from a different ip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/213.142.24.146 Shipseggsbasket (talk) 15:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He is already blocked. It does not keep others from discussing the information. --Dirk Beetstra T C 16:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DOI bot

Hi, thanks for your comments! I (perhaps naively) believe that given the nature of the DOI system, the bot can be tweaked to run without false positives. So I feel that it's more useful - especially at this early stage - if any incorrect edits are reported to me, so I can tweak the bot to prevent a repeat appearance. (It would also save me a lot of coding which I don't really have the time for!) Verisimilus T 10:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, is fine. It was just a suggestion. The bot is doing good work, I like it! Thanks! --Dirk Beetstra T C 10:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dirk, I undid the undo on Ben Spijkers, as the links have been discussed and agreed on with Wiki martial Arts folks.. The videos have valuable information that cannot be described in words, hence the extrenal link.

Feel free to read the discussion on the topic on my talk page.

Thanks, Evdz (talk) 11:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, I did not interpret the discussion as such. Still I think it is better to add content to the articles as well, as I quoted, we are not writing a linkfarm or an internet directory. I will revert my reversions. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not a problem, if you have suggestions as to the format of the link, please share!
Wiki is definately not a link farm, but the only reason these video links are posted, is to bring an extra bit of info to the articles that cannot be put in words.
Thanks, Evdz (talk) 11:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi, if you're an admin (Which I suppose you are?) could you change this account to my master account instead of Irthpr?

Björnebacke (talk) 15:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please request unblock on the account you use as your master account (see {{unblock}}), and make no edits with any other account. --Dirk Beetstra T C 15:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sports Museum of America

The Sports Museum of America has over 50 Founding Sports Partners (single-sport Halls of Fame, National Governing Bodies, Museums and other organizations across North America). Yes, some of our links and excerpts are going to be the same, but we need to be cleared for editing pages, because this is for informational purposes and is NOT spam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.105.223.125 (talk) 16:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC) Now I have a login, Jlmiz. Hopefully that will prevent my links from seeming like spam or a bot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlmiz (talk • contribs) 16:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We are writing an encyclopedia here, not a linkfarm. Please consider adding content, not links. --Dirk Beetstra T C 16:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I had a second look, all the links you have been adding are not appropriate per our external links guideline. --Dirk Beetstra T C 16:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You!

Hi Dirk,

Saw your response and just wanted to relay a simple thank you for the information.

Kind regards,

Johnbushiii (talk) 17:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome! Hope it helps, see you around, happy editing. --Dirk Beetstra T C 17:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I've just found my username listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/cia.gov, Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/fides.org, Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/catholic.com, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/digital.fides.org.pl. Ouch! Anyway, I'm not CIA / Catholic / Catholic promoter. You may never be absolutely sure of the 1st one, though ;).

  • the cia.gov related diff is rv spam vandalism
  • catholic.com: adding a link to an article which I've destubbed; the link is to a Roman Catholic comment/POV on an Eastern Orthodox tradition (the subject of the article). I'm EO (see my userpage and edits). The guy writing the ext linked page is (presumably) RC (I've never edited RC related articles). So no spam/COI. I've found it interesting enough to be included in ext links: an apologetical RC article link about an EO tradition, like let's see the others' POV, per RC good (as close) enough; Protestant theology too far (rejection of Tradition, no saints cult), so no good on the topic (their POV in the theological article, not in the place article); secular scholar sources on the Assumption of Mary? nah :P. The diff in EO/RC POV are also addressed in the article, plus wikilink to the RC similar article.
  • fides.org/digital.fides.org.pl: the link points to a ref which I've used only for the year of a text. The ref is to a theological studies source. Overall, not much info on the article's subject. I've been there, made some pics (especially for WP), seen the article was stub, expanded it, searched for sources, found very few, used them as good as I was able. The article was accepted as DYK.

Thanks for reading. I too assume COIbot's good faith. Cheering you both, adriatikus | talk 08:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have whitelisted you, thanks for the remark and the explanation. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mesoporous silica help

Thank you for your help with the Mesopourus silica article. Apheontai (talk) 16:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Mexico Magazine/New Mexico Tourism Department

Dear Mr. Beetstra,

I do not understand why you have removed the links I have placed in the New Mexico article globally for the New Mexico Tourism Department (www.newmexico.org) and New Mexico Magazine (www.nmmagazine.com). The New Mexico Tourism Department is the state of New Mexico's official website for promoting all attractions statewide, while New Mexico Magazine is the state's official magazine, covering the history, arts, culture and people of New Mexico. These are not private businesses, nor has any spamming taken place. You were wrong in your assessments and mistaken to remove the links.

Please advise how I should go about reinserting the links so they are not arbitrarily removed again.

Jon Bowman Associate Publisher New Mexico Magazine

PS: I checked the Wikipedia article for the Netherlands, and found a link there for the official Holland travel administration. The New Mexico Tourism Department/New Mexico Magazine is the equivalent for our state, so these links should be treated equally.

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