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Here is a Shirley site you might like to look at: Shirley Temple: Little Star http://littlestar.bravepages.com

Why don't we have a picture of her as a child, if that is how she is remembered?

Finding copyright-free pictures is difficult. RickK 07:00, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Anyone want to mention how SNL and the Simpsons both made fun of her?

  • Why? Is there anything that SNL and the Simpsons haven't both made fun of? -- Nunh-huh 07:13, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

What about the mixed nonalcoholic drink named after her? --Onlyemarie 22:21, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What is with the giant list of movies?

The list of movies is huge. Let's pare it down to something representative. There has to be ten that are the most famous. The rest are red (no page), just getting in the way, and there are plently of other web sites with the full filmography, including IMDB. I will wait two days for objections.

On second thought: I am doing it now. There are twelve movies that are blue (they have pages). The rest go.

Why not spin it off into a seperate article -- Shirley Temple Filmography? John Barleycorn`
Great idea. I will do that. Thank you. Amorrow 16:20, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Look at that NNDB entry!

Now, THAT is what I call judgment! Look at that photo they use as NNDB! It is NOT the little girl. It the later teenager! See how they subtly acknowledge that the woman had a life after she got married? Great call! I congratulate them.

For IMDB to have the photo of the little girl works also, because IMDB is only about her movies. That works also.

You walk down the street and hit someone with the name "Shirley Temple". We already know the reaction, or the "vote" if you will, is going to be. Why bother even asking? The biographer is suppose to look beyond that.

Now, there are lessons in this little episode. Do we go and apply them to Stepin Fetchit or do we not? Antaeus? What do you think? Quill? Raul? Noitall? (You must have some more to say). And, of course, Mr. Kaufman? Come on, wake up! Wake up! What will it be? Amorrow 17:45, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A fine point about references...

I find that one of the things that makes Wikipedia is that the references can be so brief. Unless there is a special relationship between this page and the page point to, you need only minimal explanation. The reader can just drill down if they want extra details. The reference is otherwise fine, but in other cases I run into, I see sometimes that writers try to insinuate something about the thing referred to because they do not have the guts to put it on the other page and to then duke it out with the people who have that other page on their watchlists. It is not that the minimal reference completely solves that problem, but it helps to avoid it. That is why I made the reference to the drink minimal, but the expanded reference is fine as it is now.

In an earlier version (which, BTW, I know I make too many of), I took out the "most famous" thing out becuase I thought I read that you are supposed to avoid that kind of thing. No biggie. I will conceed the point because, I think that most people wold agree and again, it is fine point of style in this case.

And Antaeus, thanks for cleaning up the extra word "image" in the Stepin Fetchit page. That certainly improved on how I had left it. Amorrow 16:19, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A point of style

Now look at how I did the reference to the breast cancer thing. I could have just come out and written she had breast cancer. What did I do instead? I made a reference to her being on the cover of People magazine again later that year with some other very fine women. That is what a lady would want. It is elegant. It is honorific. It gives additional information in a compact form and tells the reader how to get even MORE information, if they wish. It is completely legitimate technique, without NPOV problems, and yet it still allows the author to demonstrate his good breeding and do Mrs. Black a tiny, little favor. The nice gesture is simply "tastefully done". Amorrow 16:00, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The passing of Mr. Black

I called my local KR newsdesk and they confirmed Mr. Black's death. Knight Ridder Community Newspapers Inc. (650) 327-9090 http://www.paloaltodailynews.com/

What was Mr. Black?

Kaufman: I am going to let your deletion about the religious stuff stand, but the situation is complicated. Now I know that Mr. Black was a Ivy-league educated junior executive. I gotta do some more reading about this. I mentioned the explaination about the religious stuff because I anticipated that the reader would assume that there was something wrong because of his not seeing any of ST's films. The guy just passed away and hopefully some decent info will come out in some obits that will allow us to write a page on him. The whole way that Andrea Dworkin's death was handled at Wikipedia was so messy. Let's try to do this one more nicely. We need that ten-word summary of what he was: marine research entrepaneur is close, but we need better.

BTW: My citation on the religious stuff (I assume it is true):

http://www.adherents.com/people/pt/Shirley_Temple.html

"Later Shirley Temple met Charlie Black, a man who had been raised in a boarding school with extremely restrictive practices limiting exposure to films and even radio. Charlie was completely unaware of her fame and had never seen any of her movies."

As far as I am concerned, this is journlistic standards applied to an on-line encyclopedia. Together, we will figure out the right thing to do. Amorrow 05:35, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A fine point: News and niceness

Yes, I de-wikified the Bobby-Soxer link. I want the page to be nice and complete if people look at it next week because of Mr. Black's passing. The red link bothers me. Can anyone put out a quick review of that film? I have already done something (not very good yet) for her first husband. Amorrow 05:42, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Justification for recent changes

I changed the intro. The long list of movie is uninteresting. IMDb has that. Why did I do it. It was practically an involutary act.

1. I listen to KQED in San Francisco. Every Sunday, they have City Arts & Lectures. http://www.cityarts.net/ Every Sunday, I hear Linda Hunt say: Great artists ... blah blah blah .. "often discussing the creating process." THAT is what people want to know. THAT is what Mrs. Black wants people to know. How did she DO THAT? How the heck did get get all those movies made??? She has a great memory and she has talent.

2. I sat through "The Little Princess" with my daughter at least a half dozen time, and I loved it because I got to spend time with her and she liked it. At the end of the video, they summarize Temple's work style. She could memorize entire scripts. Steel trap memory. She could learn all the dance steps (citation: "Codfish Ball"). She could cry on cue, but the rest time... if was as if she was on happy pills all the time.

That is why I made the changes. In light of the recent events, it also reads well.

Now, I feel that I have described part of MY creative process.

Sources

Since people have a "thing" about all those links, I am going to start a new practice here at Wikipedia. I will cite my sources (shock, shock).

OK, some of the source suck on the page, like that last Reagan link: That massive document for just one line. But some of those things are better cites about STB than Wikipedia will EVER be. I was just trying to dredge up some info on Mr. Black. I heard that there was an obit in

Now I guesss I will have to scrounge for a copy of the rag (it is actually a nice paper, I just like rough humor a lot).

I am laughing

I am sure that we all enjoy the obvious insinuation that STB drinks a lot of ST cocktails of all varieties. I am laughing at the newly-widowed person, boys. Ya happy now? Amorrow 00:57, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If any sane person thinks that observing the perfect true fact that several cocktails including probably the most famous non-alcoholic cocktail contains an "obvious insinuation" that the person they were named for drinks a lot of cocktails, please do speak up. -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:33, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go again

Now, I am going to pull and stretch Wikipedia in another direction. *Groan, not again!*

Come come, now. I am assuming the role Wikipeida "personal trainer" and I am cracking whip!

Ya see that little link to ndnu.edu about Mr. Black?

Is this what Wikipedia wants to be? YOU TELL ME. PLEASE!


Return-Path: <rmcbride@ndnu.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:23:11 -0700 To: Andrew Morrow <amorrow@nouveausystems.com> From: Rob McBride <rmcbride@ndnu.edu> Subject: Re: Mr. Black passed away on Thursday

Thank you for this notice. We will verify it and make the appropriate corrections.

Rob McBride

Web Administrator, Office of Information Technology Notre Dame de Namur University (NDNU) Belmont, CA rmcbride@ndnu.edu or webmaster@ndnu.edu (separ) At 7:22 PM -0700 8/6/05, Andrew Morrow wrote: Sirs:

I noticed on

http://www.ndnu.edu/catalog/current/trustees.html

that you mention Charles Alden Black. I assume that was are both talking about the man that married Shirley Temple Black. He passed away on Thursday. Some updated information is available on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Temple

but please realize the this information, while substantial, is not 100% reliable.

Andrew Morrow

Amorrow 01:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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