Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-05-05 Tyrell Johnson (American football)
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| Article | Tyrell Johnson, Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, Brian Brohm, Matt Ryan, and several other articles |
| Status | new |
| Request date | Unknown |
| Requesting party | Unknown |
| Parties involved | Chrisjnelson, Yankees10, 72.0.36.36, CopaceticThought, RC-0722, Cgarz89, 67.137.0.28, Tromboneguy0186 |
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Who are the involved parties?
User:Chrisjnelson, Yankees10, 72.0.36.36, CopaceticThought, RC-0722, Cgarz89, 67.137.0.28, Tromboneguy0186
What's going on?
You can see prior discussion on it here:
- Talk:Glenn Dorsey#Originally
- Talk:Chris_Long (American football)#"Originally drafted?"
- User Talk:Yankees10#Originally drafted
- User Talk:Chrisjnelson#Originally
There are a couple of users (User:Yankees10 and User:Chrisjnelson) who have decided in the interest of uniformity to change every NFL player's article from saying "was drafted by..." to "was originally drafted by..." Their intent was to convey that this is where the player's career began. Often when a player moves to another team their article says they "originally came from such and such team and now are at another team". To make all the articles consistent they decided to make every single article say "originally" in them, even the ones who haven't moved to another team.
Since adding "originally" to every page they've they've been reverted many times. Using the word originally implies they have been drafted more than once, when in fact they have not. Or it may imply they've moved on to another team, where in fact many of them have not. Several users feel putting "originally" into an article where it doesn't make sense is wrong and sounds goofy, others have pointed out that it's bad grammar.
There has been discussions on both of their user pages about it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yankees10#Originally_drafted and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chrisjnelson#Originally. This argument has potential to spiral out of control (they've put so much work into changing all the articles that at this point they wouldn't admit they were wrong even if they knew they are) so it would be nice to get mediator involvement.
What would you like to change about that?
I would like to get a third party mediator opinion on whether or not we should:
- add "originally drafted" to every professional player's page (even the ones who haven't moved to another team) in the interest of consistency at the expense of proper grammar and fluidity
- add "originally drafted" to only those players who have moved to another team at the expense of consistency
- add "originally drafted" sparingly and only where it makes sense and revert those articles where they do not make sense
- do not add "originally" on any of the articles
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Discussion
They've gotten into editing wars over this, which is not uncommon for these two users. Chrisjnelson has been blocked 17 times for edit warring over the last year and Yankees10 was just blocked last week. So instead of seeing this spiral out of control I thought we should get mediator involvement. If the mediator agrees we should add "originally" to every article then the edit warring could end. 67.137.0.28 (talk) 23:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Um, who's the "we"? RC-0722 247.5/1 00:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- At User talk:Chrisjnelson#Originally you had said "Hmm. I think the leads should have the word originally to keep traded and nono-traded player pages uniform" 67.137.0.28 (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)