Talk:Unicru

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Acquisition of Guru.com

Since "Guru.com" was never absorbed into Unicru, alas exists as an wholey independent firm today in Pennsylvania. It is confusing and misleading to note it in a description of Unicru, wouldn't it be better to state what they make or produce in 2006 rather then what they didn't become in 2003--namely Guru?Hholt01 11:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Actually that's incorrect. Guru.com was acquired by Unicru in 2003. All Guru.com employees and technology became part of Unicru and several Guru.com employees still work at Unicru. In 2004 Unicru sold the rights to the Guru.com URL and logo to eMoonlighter.com. eMoonlighter then rebranded itself as Guru.com. Since most of the assets of Guru.com remain part of Unicru, it seems reasonable to list it like this. Gwernol 13:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edits

Who the hell keeps reverting the page back to the one with less information damnit? Is it unicru? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaydinia (talk • contribs)

That would be me. The edits that have been made to the page are unencyclopedic ("It is common sense that most people will lie on a test about their personality in order to get hired. Therefore unicru's questions cannot possibly be the reason for improvement in turnover rates, etc." - this would need a reference, otherwise it's just your opinion). It is possible to include criticisms in an article without making it sound like a conspiracy. A lot of the links provided are to blogs and forums, which are not advisable (see Wikipedia:External links). The other links don't necessarily have anything to do with Unicru but to personality tests in general.

You also shouldn't sign your edits (however, you should sign your comments on the talk page with ~~~~). ... discospinster 01:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of unencyclopedic. This sentence "Many of their customers are large retailers like Lowes, Hollywood Video, Albertsons, Circuit City and Best Buy." requires a citation. --Crossmr 02:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. I'll find and add them. Gw e rnol 02:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

also "solutions" is a marketing buzzword, not a term for use in encyclopedias. In reality the company provides products.--Crossmr 03:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(de-indenting a bit) there I have to disagree with you. A (software) product is a program you buy and use. A solution is a product plus services - for example customization, maintenance, installation etc. Its not just a buzzword, it makes a useful distrinction that is used by more than just marketing folks. Gw e rnol 03:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

popular usage not withstanding, its slang until it shows up here: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=solutions . Unless Unicru was marketing a system called "Solutions" or had trademarked the usage I see no reason to use it here. Its products and services. Solutions is a marketing creation. --Crossmr 03:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy with "products and services", I'll update. I've added references for the listed customers. Gw e rnol 03:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Although it is worth noting that Unicru's two producs are called the Unicru Salaried Solution and the unicru Hourly Solution. Gw e rnol 05:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"a number of other software companies". Information needs to be factual and specific. 0 is a number, so is 1 million. Have they acquired 5 other companies? 10? --Crossmr 04:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Updated the article to cover this Gw e rnol 05:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whether you can find a reference or not, just as a matter of observation, I agree that their tests are rather pointless... A smart person can figure out what most of the questions are really asking (but then there are questions like "I do things that upset people" Ok? What the heck could that result in? Answering yes could mean you're impossible to work with and we won't hire you, but people have disagreements...), and an honest smart person will hurt him or herself with the stress of damning yourself to the unemployed life by answering the questions honestly... With no neutral answer, it also creates the "beg the question" situation... Something like "Americans are eager to destroy the world" Ok, well, I don't agree completely or in the majority... A lot of Americans are eager to destroy the world. I don't disagree. A lot are pacifists, and even the ones who aren't are often in favor of limited use of war and weaponry. So if I asnwer I agree, then I'm saying Americans are all bloodthirsty barbarians. If I disagree, I'm saying Americans are all pacifists and not interested in war, and that none have a destructive nature... Questions such as those on unicru without a middle ground can't be answered accurately in all cases. And what sort of question is "there are some people I can't stand"? People who get along with absolutely everyone don't exist. Even if you're nice to everyone, someone will pick you out to be the target of harassment. It's a fact of life... I hate Unicru... That's who I hate... Oh, and while we're at it, all online forms that require you give record of everywhere you've lived for the last x number of years or the addresses or even sometimes months you worked. Believe it or not, there are some people who don't have all of that information... Living with family in another state temporarily, moving away from and back home for months at a time... It can be tiring and, in some cases, impossible to recount... If Unicru wanted to make their site beneficial to job hunters and not just for the employers, they should fix some of the surfing problems (no auto-tabbing on some forms, cursor behaving erratically on questionaires, no need to fill out the same damned form for 10 companies) Yeah, I think all the people that have been denied jobs because of Unicru should picket their offices... I know I can't be the only one who hates this company. WhateverTS 01:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

yeah... you're wrong this is the disscussion page... therefore it does not need to be that way...

(matt)... hellboundmatt@yahoo.com

Stock

Unicru is supposedly a publicly traded company. Yet I've performed several searches for their stock, and not one search engine returns any information for this company. Is it traded under another name? --Crossmr 03:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

its privately held, so you won't find it. Gw e rnol 04:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grading system

I was just wondering if any one can get any info on their grading system for employees?141.157.225.226 04:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are several scientific papers published on the Unicru systems. I can find you references to those if it would be helpful. The Unicru Whitepapers (available here) are pretty good overviews of thier system too. Gwernol 04:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beating the System

I agree that the form is an awful system and should not be utilized at all. I like that the answers to the questions have been given here. I have several concerns, though. First, is this just someone's best guess as to what the right answers are, or did they get them from the inside, or has this series been personally tested and proved by someone getting a job? While it looks good, can it really be trusted to 100% accuracy? Second, I'd also like some info on how the grading works. The link to the white pages above didn't work for me. I imagine that it's all automatically summed up and some grade is posted to the employer, such as a percentile. That's only a guess. Third, while I like the 'beat the system' how-to, it doesn't belong here, at least not in that format. I'd say either use a citation that proves the answers are 100% accurate or just make a link to a web page containing that information. A little clean-up here would be good.

Empbac 01:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)empbac[reply]

On the topic of how grading is done...From my talks with numerous hiring managers and one Unicru customer service representative in January, it has become apparent that often the employer doesn't get much of a choice if the Unicru system has deemed an applicant unworthy for hire. An application is not always scored by percentage, as I have found that many of mine have outright failed. When an applicant fails the personality test, Unicru doesn't alway send the full application to the employer. The employer just gets a message notifying them that there was an applicant whose application was not sent because they did not qualify. If an applicant isn't aware of this when submitting applications to every local business in a short period of time, a considerable number of employers are eliminated for the 90 day waiting period. I'd be interested in finding out how to officially document information like this, as I feel there is important information missing from the main article that can't be cited, yet remains valid and somewhat important to anyone researching Unicru. It would also be equally important to utilize shorter sentences.

Legumious 12:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

where did the asnwers go? if this test is so bogus then why were the answers taken down? having them up seemed like the only way to get around the pointless personality test. 67.160.183.24 22:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)v0lc0mkiller[reply]

I'm wondering where the answers went as well, did the Unicru company have something to do with this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.6.137 (talk) 16:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Discrimination?

I have gone through the Unicru application process and it seemeed to me that some of the questions could preclude individuals with certain disabilities, like social anxiety. Discrimination of this kind is against U.S. federal law. I did a little probing and found this article from newsreview.com where two "experts" agree that the testing discriminates not only against people with certain disabilities, but also has a bias against certain demographics.

Worth mentioning in the entry?

DeeKenn 02:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked into Unicru's screening methods and have found they use your credit score to determine wether or not you're a qualified candidate for employment. Their reasoning behind this is that they feel people with bad credit steal from employers. So much for equal opportunity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.98.157.106 (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]