Talk:Joan of Arcadia

Cast and characters

What the fck?!!! A whole entry for the casts alone but no single briefing on the characters? I've seen the first and probably the only episode of Joan of Arcadia I will ever see (It airs at 1:30 am when I'm busy in my computer writing, a prob with firefox stopped my resourcing so... I was there like I'm here now) and I enjoyed the episode (where a baby was found in a trash can) more due to its characters than anything else (well, the protagonist is a beautiful woman but the whole "sex has a place in the list of evil things" idea is too preachy even for a show that is, obviously, anything except preachy; indeed for something pseudo-nondenominational prochristian/promonotheist/prostatusquo... It was well done) and I came in here hoping it will have more data than any other page, but just like them... It focuses more on cast than on episode guide or character descriptions... Hey I even endured the airhead fictional diary entries given by the cbs on the subject... The character represented by those words was far worse than the appealing heroine of the show and it made me consider much about them... Like Adam not being just a friend with a crush but the boyfriend or ex-boyfriend (I saw it when it had already began so I could miss any surer indicator)... So anyway, dispite my long paragraph, this is the point, there's a need for more data on the characters and episode guide and plot and less focus on the extended cast...Herle King 09:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

RESPONSE: There are many other places on the web that has all that information you want. I suggest you watch a few more episodes before you come here and ask for other people to do free work, on a show you barely know anything about.

i got something to say

cbs own fox when it canceled dark angel. cbs cancleed joan of arcadia. cbas owned fox canceled titus and family. it goes on. cbs suck it.

It sure sounds like you have to say it in a hurry.

Response:

Duh! Read a few television biographies. It is commonly admitted that the likes and dislikes of TV executives and certain key advertisers for a show are far more important than demographic numbers for shows above a certain minimum performance. Conceptually in network terms the majority of American people will zone out to a very broad spectrum of pretty low quality TV programs. You may have noticed that sweeps weeks and unified network season premieres are pretty much non-events nowadays. So more than ever TV programs really compete primarily for attention from TV executives including local station managers -- NOT TV audiences. Similarly public TV content follows the desires of a few intellectual executive committees rather than representational voting (Thank God).

Executives can settle for lower network profit margins to express their own opinion of what programming lineups show be. Advertisers for essential daily products (lots of people buy them regardless) can advertise on networks with lower numbers if the show premise offends them. At least up to a point, those points being why most top TV executives eventually get fired rather than retired and why certain word of mouth products fade from the next generation's memory.

But someone really hated JoA. Negative mood (hopeless) cliffhangers like season two are intentional stakes put in shows to make sure they don't resurrect without overwhelming cash backing. Of course another factor for cancellation could be that many recent TV shows with big name actors and actresses are made with very limited commitments. That is I also suspect lots of actors were ready to move on to fresher projects unless paid a lot more for season 3. And a few of them were fair big names who likely started off commanding pretty healthy salaries. I wouldn't be surprised if for example Steenburgen said "Two years was a nice change of pace but I got to get back to movies and stage".

69.23.120.164 17:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Opening song

When I added the openning song words, I added "Trying to make his way home" twice because I think it is repeated. Would someone else specifically check? Val42 23:18, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it's repeated. I shortened it in the name of brevity. It doesn't seem to me that repeating the line in print adds anything. Lyrics are problematic in a copyright sense anyway, although brief quotations tend to be kosher under fair use. -- Decumanus 23:31, 2005 Apr 23 (UTC)

Are you sure the song is sung by Joan Osborne? It sounds nothing like her, and I was under the impression it was a cover by someone else... Foofy 06:23, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Me bad, checked a dozen or so search results and it was indeed her, she must have redone it.  :) Foofy 06:29, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Joan of Arcadia in Canada?

Other than U.S. networks appearing on Canadian cable and satellite lineups, was the show aired on any of the Canadian networks (CTV, CBC, Global, etc.)?

CTV simulcast it. -- Gridlock Joe 02:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The Town of Arcadia

I've never seen the show but I'd thought that I would like to say that there is a city in southern California called Arcadia, so it could possibly be the same one in the show instead of a fictional one. Just a little input. -- unsigned comment

Although it was never emphasized, the show did show the Maryland flag in the police station and the cars had Maryland license tags. -- unsigned answer to Arcadia question

Missing Scenes on the DVD Pilot?

When this show was being broadcast I was a loyal and attentive viewer. I've had the DVD set for season one for over a year--but just got around to watching the pilot and the first episode tonight. (10/20/06)

I'm really puzzled. There seems to be quite a bit that I remember from the broadcast pilot missing from the pilot on the DVD. (?)

The "thug" who was killing the women in Arcadia should have been interrogated by the chief and his detective. The mother of the first woman who was killed should have come and thanked the chief once the murder of her daughter was solved. None of that was on the DVD version of the pilot. Is the DVD pilot missing scenes or am I remembering scenes that were never broadcast. (?)

I'm pretty disappointed. I hope there aren't omissions like this on the rest of the DVD. It's like the pilot was an hour and a half show when broadcast, that was shrunk down to 45 minutes on the DVD. (?)

I've watched a recording from CBS HDTV and it was only 45 minutes long, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't have the scenes that you describe. Also, you can look at [1] for a transcript of the pilot – beware of spyware pop-ups on that site, however. Thanks.   — Lee J Haywood 08:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Page recommendation

Someone should make a list of the various incarnations God took over the course of the show, with the actors playing them.

YES YES YES!

There was a list and someone deleted it (or possibly moved it). The history and this Talk page fails to provide a reason for the removal. Reverted the deletion. If the article needs to be shortened then the tedious list of broadcasters seems like a far better candidate for removal. -- Horkana (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Sad State of the Country TV Audience

The cancellation of Season 3 is a sad reflection of the state of TV audiences and studios. I watched all the episodes season 1 and 2 and it is one of the few shows that really touched my heart. Instead we are inundated with shows that although admittedly may be "more exciting", probably kill brain cells and reduce IQ levels.

Having looked around on the web, I do not see it likely that the show will be resurrected. If it is I doubt Amber Tamblyn who makes the show can be persuaded to return, although I hope so. Almost everyone else can be replaced although it would be nice if they stayed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.22.50.21 (talk) 09:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

Assign Blame Where It's Due

The paragraph beginning "But someone really hated JoA" is full of words like "could be" and "I suspect". It's a documented fact who cancelled JOAN: CBS president Leslie Moonves, a glorified bean counter who thinks you get a successful network by cloning previous hits(CSI, CSI Miami, CSI New York, NCIS -- need I say more?) and is suspicious of anything original. User:CharlesTheBold 00:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• Where are you seeing such a paragraph? Wahkeenah 09:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The last paragraph of "I got something to say" on the discussion tab. CharlesTheBold 04:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Discussion is often just peoples' opinion. It's supposed to be about article improvement, but not always. Nothing in it is "canon" even by the standards of Wikipedia.

On another note when I se how bizarre and irritating Ghost Whisperer has become, not that it was ever great to begin with, I miss this show more than ever. It was sort of wishy-washy at times, but at least it didn't get into any woo-woo occult conspiracy stuff that I saw.--T. Anthony 07:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to remove "International" broadcasts section

A lot of people have put a lot of work into the "International" Section of this article but if you think in terms of an encyclopedia how much of that information if any is actually notable for a television series which has ceased production? Is it really worth mentioning anything more than it was first broadcast on CBS? Sure the list might be useful to casual readers wanting to find out where they can see the show locally but the information will be transitory and subject to frequent change. I would suggest (re)moving that section from the article, possibly putting it here in the discussion section for a time if people feel it is useful even if it isn't generally notable or encyclopedic. -- Horkana (talk) 00:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC) (who figures an article like this should about a finished TV Series should be reaching a stable state and also be almost finished by now.)

What does this mean?

The following appears (bizarely) in the Premise section: "Its controversial cancellation, along with other similar moves in the media, such as cancellations of Third Watch, American Dreams, and Judging Amy, produced an outcry from many Americans who felt that their entertainment tastes and demands were being completely ignored." What does it mean? What links those four shows and seperates them from all the shows that didn't cancelled? 86.136.205.220 (talk) 02:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I read it to mean that public opinion is not the driving force behind executive decisions with regard to which shows 'live', and which shows 'die'. Obviously this is more of a personal opinion than citated fact (which seems to be the ultimate goal of anyone trying to offer a point of interest on Wikipedia), but it is sad to think of how many shows with immense potential have been cancelled for reasons that the public never understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.206.254 (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)