Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesus Trail (second nomination)

Jesus Trail

Re-creation of an article already AfD'd as non-notable and promotional. Speedy declined by an admin who objected to the original AfD decision. I can't see that anything has changed. The trail is a commercial venture. Most of the article is a plug for the company's activities and there are no sources other than three recent newspaper articles about the activities of the company's founders, clearly part of their PR drive. andy (talk) 12:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong and Speedy Keep. If I may present a few facts in defence of this article:

1. The original AfD was a very, very curious call – the admin in question completely ignored the three-to-one consensus to Keep the article and justified his decision with the strange statement that “A Christian newspaper covering a Christian topic isn't really an objective source.” The admin made an incorrect statement: the media source was not a newspaper. It was the Catholic News Service, an international news organisation whose notability is not questioned by the secular media.

2. The article in question has been edited and rewritten to remove any suggestion of promotional puffery that tainted its original incarnation. I believe it meets WP:N requirements in that regard. I would invite any editor to make additional changes if they feel this aspect of the article requires more polishing.

3. The article’s sources are three international news services: CNN, Associated Press and Catholic News Service. The fourth source is Haaretz, one of Israel’s leading newspapers. I believe this passes WP:RS.

4. The argument to delete the trail because it is a “commercial venture” is silly – any public attraction where admission is charged is a “commercial venture.” Wikipedia does not disqualify articles based on this. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the proposal is not to delete the article because the trail is a commercial venture but because the article is fundamentally spammy. The sources may be leading newspapers but that's not the same as notability - these are travel articles about the company's activities developed from the company's own PR. There are very few ghits that aren't PR-based - after all it was only invented last year. If all mention of the company is removed there's only a very short stub. andy (talk) 13:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Response Please see #2 in my initial comments. You are welcome to edit the article further, if you genuinely wish to see it preserved online. As for the press coverage, CNN and Associated Press do not engage in PR puffery. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 13:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The CNN article is credited to AP. So that's one reference less! andy (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless, there are still 3 credible references.