User talk:SpiritBeing

Speedy deletion of Universal Church Of Metaphysics 501(c)3

A tag has been placed on Universal Church Of Metaphysics 501(c)3, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Mayalld (talk) 15:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"I don't see how there can be a verifiable source independent of the church unless it has ended up in a newspaper or something." So you admit it does not begin to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. And there is no need for anything terrible to happen for an organisation to receive media coverage. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 17:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(SpiritBeing (talk) 18:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)SpiritBeing) Hello RHaworth. Take a look at the many reliable references I have provided, including three references to the secretary of state's offices in which the church is registered. If that is not a reliable source as to it's existence, then this is blatant religious discrimination. No I do not see that a newspaper article is relevant to the situation, and that is my point. I believe that the secretary of state's offices in California, Minnesota and Washington should be verifiable enough for you. Thank you for your input, but I respectfully disagree. Go look at the references and you will see verifiable references of its existence, and since it does not sell anything, then it is not a blatant advertisment. I believe an advertisement is supposed to be trying to get you to buy something. (SpiritBeing (talk)SpiritBeing)[reply]

Article subjects are required to have significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. This could be books written by academics, papers that have been published in scholarly journals, or media coverage. Have a look at the reliable sources guideline.--PhilKnight (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have looked at the reliable resources guidelines and I believe that the Secretary of State's offices do indeed qualify. Thank you for causing me to get those references, it is good to have them here anyway. Also, books do not normally mention churches, nor are books always printed on the internet since they are trying to sell them. If all books were on the internet for free, then they wouldn't be able to sell them. Please, let's not fight over this. Let's just all live and let live. Thank you for your help in getting the article more verified, I do appreciate that. I am going to post a lot more contributions to Wikipedia as time goes on because I see a lot of gaps in your information concerning my particular leanings in spirituality, and I would appreciate not having to fight about every article I ever upload just because you may not agree with this particular spiritual religion. I have written factually, provided verifiable references to government agencies that are acceptable sources in wikipedia, and I have refrained from my own opinions. I am only here to provide information for an encyclopedia that is missing information. Part of wikipedia's bad reputation for being faulty is that it doesn't have all the information it should have, so please let me remedy that situation and make wikipedia a better place, just as you are. I don't see any churches listed with this particular religion, so it means that wikipedia could be seen as biased against particular religions if no one is allowed to post articles about relevant and important organizations that are well known to those in that particular religion. People have asked about this unbalance on wikipedia, and I am hoping to be a contributor to wikipedia that brings more balance to an ignored religious category that an encyclopedia should be unbiased about. (SpiritBeing (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)SpiritBeing)[reply]

{{Delrev}} to get other opinions

I would like to get other opinions on this page. I have reposted this page 4 times now and the users who have been deleting it have consistenly deleted all conversations previous to this, refuse to be reasonable or discuss things in a manner fitting of wikipedia, have started to hide their identieies so they don't get in trouble with wikipedia, and now I would like to invite some other administrators to view this page and give constructive advice as to how to handle this situation. I am feeling rather ganged up on. No matter what I post, my articles are attacked no matter what changes are made, no matter how dry and encyclopedic they are, no matter what I take out or add, and it is beginning to feel like religious discrimination, rather than a true editing or opposition. It also is a matter of opinion as to whether a church is important if it has thousands of members, several branches in three states, corporate registrations in three states and more to come, branches opening in other countries, and ministers who would like to see their church listed on wikipedia. I would like to hear from reasonable people now and seek a deletion resolution process from wikipedia rather than fight with people who don't respond to reasonable changes and additions to this article and others I present. I have joined wikipedia to fill in some of the blanks I see in this site, since there are many subjects that don't seem to be covered here, and this is only the beginning of what I would like to contribute to wikipedia. I believe that reasonable conversations should take place, speedy deletions should not happen without discussions and acknowledgements of changes made, etc. My article keeps getting deleted before I can even finish making the suggested revisions, so it is seeming to be a bit biased and unfair now. I would like another opinion. I hope that a higher administrator is able to take a look at this situation and I will keep seeking a higher administrator until I can reach someone who has reasonable input. Thank you so much for taking a look at this situation. (SpiritBeing (talk)SpiritBeing)

Breeze

Please stop applying {{hangon}} to Christine breese. The article has not had a speedy tag applied so it does not need hangon. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the page was restored and I accidentally put the tag prodcontested on it trying to figure out how to get someone who is reasonalbe to look at it. Please let it go back to the restored capacity, it was an accident. Thank you. (SpiritBeing (talk) 20:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)SpiritBeing)[reply]

Speedy deletion of University of Metaphysical Sciences

A tag has been placed on University of Metaphysical Sciences, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. RayAYang (talk) 05:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Christine Breese, Civility, etc

I must object to your current line of commenting at the AfD. I bring this here as this to me has more of a matter between editors than about the specific article. Feel free to reprint my comments elsewhere if you feel it is warranted. To say that my comments are about not liking a religion or religious standpoint is ridiculous and highly offensive to me. To say that my "opinion" about the article has anything to do with my opinion about the subject is not only blatantly inappropriate but, would seem a deliberate attempt to avoid discussing the merits of the article itself. To sully other editors simply because you have a difference of opinion on why an article should stay or go is highly inappropriate and I'd encourage you to avoid doing such again. Instead take some of the references you claim are out there that are from reliable 3rd party sources and prove the subjects notability (which by the way is not the same as existence or popularity) and include them in the article. Once you've done this than changing peoples "opinions" on the article should be as easy as saying "Hey guys and girls, I've added appropriate 3rd party references that verify this subjects notability please check them out.". Thank you for your time. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Already Added Numerous 3rd Party References Hello, sorry if you are offended, apologies, but I have already added numerous 3rd party references to the article and I would appreciate you taking a look at those, and therefore I would not think that there was a bias of any sort if people were giving reasons for request for deletion. People are not taking time to look at the edits before asking for deletion, so will you please take a look, follow the links, and you will see that there are plenty of 3rd party links proving notability. Then I will not be under the impression that there is a bias in any way and that the legitimacy of the article has been examined. Thank you for taking a look and examining the references, none of which point to anything but 3rd party links. I appreciate your feelings and don't want to offend, but I would appreciate more discussion about the references, not just a request for deletion with no specific reasons or proof of why. (SpiritBeing (talk) 08:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)SpiritBeing)[reply]

Maybe we have a "language/context" problem. The article does not include a reference section (only lots of links to places) and an External Links section. Nothing in the "External Links" section is a reliable 3rd party source which proves the persons notability in accordance with the policies and guidelines of the project. Additionally, the majority of the links embedded in the article seem to be to primary source, or to sources which confirm existence (which isn't the same as notability) or popularity (which again isn't the same as notability). Maybe you can update the formatting in a way that helps the article to look less like you are trying to advocate the person and/or her university it will help others to be more neutral. Maybe even making it easier for people to see some notability in the article that we may be missing because of formatting. By the way I looked at all those links before I placed my initial opinion at AfD and unfortunately, looking again hasn't really changed my mind about the article. Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am new to Wiki and I don't know how to make a reference section, only links. The links in article aren't what I'm referring to as the 3rd party links, it is to all the links below where the articles in various mags are, the tv the radio stuff, in the lists, that all proves notability, but if I am formatting something wrong, can you or someone help me? I would really appreciate that. I have wanted to contribute to wiki but if I can't figure out how to do a reference section, I'm going to have this constant struggle to get an article on. Do I just put those numbers behind them? (SpiritBeing (talk) 09:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)SpiritBeing)[reply]