Talk:Cisco certifications

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I am a Cisco Certified Professional. I am working with Cisco Course and Exam creators to finally get this horribly out of date page fixed. Please stop changing it back to its old out dated and terrible incorrect version. All you need to do is look at the cisco training site and you can see at least a minimum of 25% of the former information is wrong. Just plain wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobryant (talk • contribs) 14:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tobryant - welcome to Wikipedia. You are by all means welcome to edit the page, and correct errors that you may find. Please do. But you've pretty much deleted the entire article - and deleted a great deal of relevant information (especially the historical stuff) in the process. Much of the information you have deleted is still true and correct. You can't do such major surgery, changing the direction of the article like that, without discussion and consensus on this talk page (not with the guys over at Cisco) - and this is why your edits are being reverted.

Cisco course and exam creators are not the authority here - that's not how it works on Wikipedia. There is no requirement, nor is it neccesarily desirable, to make the Wikipedia page a reflection of Cisco's web page.

In the meantime, feel free to edit the article and make changes, make sure you provide the appropriate references and citiations as per wikipedia policy, and discuss what you want to delete - the entire article is not up for deletion at this point - that's how things are done here. Cheers! --Commking (talk) 01:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Entry Level Exam - CCENT

The Cisco CCENT (Cisco Certified Entry Networking Technician) certification validates the skills required for entry-level network support positions, the starting point for many successful careers in networking. Candidates should have the knowledge and skill to install, operate and troubleshoot a small enterprise branch network, including basic network security. CCENT certification is the first step toward achieving CCNA, which covers medium size enterprise branch networks with more complex connections.

http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/le2/le45/learning_certification_level_home.html

master merge

I created a new article about the entire Cisco Career Cert program and merged all the cisco certification program articles here. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-12 11:52Z

removed stuff

I removed the text below. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-12 11:52Z

CCNP Exams

642-801 - Building Scalable Cisco Internetworks (BSCI)
642-811 - Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks (BCMSN)
642-821 - Building Cisco Remote Access Networks (BCRAN)
642-831 - Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting (CIT)

duration

on avg how long does it take to learn the material to be able to pass the test? can a person study for a month and pass the test? --Anything is possible. One month is unlikely unless you already have a fair understanding of what is on the test. Subnetting, routing protocols, frame relay, isdn, asdl, etc. etc. It would really be nice if someone were to create an in depth section for the particulars of each test. (It is likely these things DID exist, until quarl merged all the exams.)

Does this reference qualify?

hi, while going through Cisco Career Certifications page, I felt that a link to an external reference CCNA Network Simulator would benefit visitors. Can some one experienced on this see if it qualifies for inclusion under "Tools For Study"? thanks. --Asoft 11:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WAY non-neutral-POV

This entire article is an advertisement. It needs to be rewritten or removed.

This seems to have a NPOV to me... To call it an advertisement is very extreme. It tells you about each of the certifications and what is required to obtain them, which is very useful information. It does not make any claims to the validity of the tests or encourage / discourage you from taking them. --Michael 15:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is an important article. These are professional certifications that many technical colleges and universities basis their majors on. These are important certifications that people in the Networking and Information Technology uses to further their career. This is not an advertisement, but important information about Information Technology certifications. --Mattwj2002 01:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also disagree with this claim. The majority seem to agree. I will be removing the POV banner. EricNau 01:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article does have some issues, such as a few POV claims, reads like a list in places and is just not a good article. I have removed the huge amount of links to self study and yahoo groups. Take a look at WP:EL and WP:RS for the reasoning. Links should only be used as:

Direct References - so a link to a page about a claim made
If they contain information that improve the articles content but which cannot be incorporated or needs to eventually be incorporated

As the links to material for learning comes under commercial links, I removed them. Also yahoo groups does not add anything as it is a forum.-Localzuk ^(talk) 12:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree fully that this is an important article. However, from the article: "Regarded as the highest level of Cisco certification on the hierarchy of Cisco networking solutions and implementing professional training, CCIE (Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert) certifications are highly desired by IT professionals. Prestigious and extremely popular worldwide" The article is sprawling with "... a prestigious ..." "... highly sought-after ..." advertisement-style wording. It is quite true, that these certifications are prestigious and highly sought-after, but that doesn't automatically imply the POV is neutral. For example, it's true that "Kids love the delicious taste of Kelloggs Coco Pops" is true - kids do love the delicious taste. but it's far from a NPOV Snickkers 08:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I've removed that entire section; it was added by 207.155.238.67 (talk · contribs) [1]. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-10-12 09:02Z

Case in point "the starting point for many successful careers in networking" is a sales pitch not a statement of fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.130.117.234 (talk) 04:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That particular section was a copyvio copied straight from a cisco website. Its been removed until someone can rewrite.--Crossmr 13:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My I suggest a section like "Why IT professionals may choose CISCO certification"? The part I was looking for on this article was the "Why", and I didn't find it. As discussed, if I wanted to know the curriculum, pre-requisites, etc. I would have gone to Cisco. Instead I looked in Wikipedia because I had a professional curiosity about vendor-driven training programs. MS and Cisco must have thousands of "certified professionals". How many? What is the impact on innovation? How does this compare with open source movements? I don't have the answers, so I can't edit the article, but I thought I'd make the suggestion. Best regards, - PDS

Copyright issues

A link was removed with this edit summary: "The copyright notice on that page says we need written permission to distribute it" [2]. Linking to a page is not distributing it. Uploading the page to Wikipedia would be distributing it. It may be deep linking, which some people don't like, but it is legal and in either case doesn't fall under copyright law. (I'm not arguing to keep any specific external link - there are probably other reasons for deleting them - just noting that there are no copyright issues with including external links.) —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-09-30 00:45Z

I would argue that it is a grey area. The link is straight to a document without any prior information of where. This, in my eyes, could be seen as distribution. I would be happier for Wikipedia's sake that it weren't linked to directly.-Localzuk^(talk) 10:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that some of the info. under the CCNA header may be proprietary, such as the number of questions, the passing score, etc. and, as it is subject to change anyway, should be removed. What do you think? 38.100.34.2 00:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the fact that it is highly likely to change without any real notice and it not having a reference to back it up I agree that it should be removed. However, if a reliable third party source could be found for it, I would be happy to let it stay as it is not material that is copyrightable (anyone can know how many questions are in a test...)-Localzuk^(talk) 00:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Specialist Certifications

There is a whole category of Cisco Certifications not mentioned in this article. You've talked about what Cisco refers to as their "General Certifications". More Certifications exists under the title "Specialist Certifications" (see http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/learning_career_certifications_and_learning_paths_home.html) Snickkers 08:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

   Agreed, the other CCNA level certifications should be added including CCNA Security, Wireless and Voice. -Anonymous June 24, 2008

References 4 & 5 wrong?

References 4 & 5 appear to be pointing to the same place, I'm guessing its #5 thats wrong, but don't know where it should be pointing —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.86.117.11 (talk) 10:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

certified CCIE numbers

The section headed Expert-level certifications: Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert include both of the following: "As of April 2, 2007 there are 14,387 people with active CCIE certifications.[4]" AND "As of April 2, 2007 there are 14,387 individuals who hold multiple CCIE certifications." One or the other of these is inaccurate; not all 14,387 CCIEs have multiple certifications. 64.241.120.62 20:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edited section formats

I went through and changed the section title formatting to be a little more reader friendly. Over the next few days I'll some language on retired certifications and take a stab at making the certification detail consistent and add some non-Cisco sources speaking to the career-value of a CCIE cert. Is there anyone else actively working on this article? MkDoyle 21:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

add some non-Cisco sources speaking to the career-value of a CCIE cert be very careful with that. It would be very easy to head down the path of editorializing, and wikipedia is not a soapbox WP:NOT.--Crossmr 15:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken, thanks. I added references to three sources and kept the commentary at a minimum to avoid POV. The end result is (hopefully) that any reader will grasp that the CCIE has a general 'mystique' unshared by most IT certifications, and this is a significant portion of its 'note-worthiness'. MkDoyle 03:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

value of course

people should know value of certification course as well as career opportunities —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahilrizvi (talk • contribs) 04:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We're an encyclopedia, not an employment guide. See WP:NOT.--Crossmr 13:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

exams policies and regional test takers

hello.does anyone know how can i find out about cisco certifications offical test takers worldwide?(specially in middle east) does iranian citizens are being prohibited from attending the exams? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyer1984 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]