Talk:Juggalo
Article Restored
Someone thought it'd be cute to erase the article... restored.
--User:Steven Pound 01:53, 2 September 2005 (CST)
Clown Luv
TO bad not everyone gets to see this before judgeing Juggalos.
mcl
Hey at least this article doesnt make use sound too evil..you can tell a juggalo wrote it
Bias
Can someone clean this article up? It sounds more like a recruitment or promotional post than a Wikipedia entry.
NPOV & Quality
There are major NPOV issues with this post, but in the meantime I threw up the quality boilerplate mainly because I have nfi about the subject matter.
Jachin 04:23, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Best with what I have
Any ideoligy article on wikipedia is going to have a point of view problem. The article that was here before I started editing was pretty negative. I've tried to relay the basic information about the juggalo movement to the uninitiated the best I can and I admit it's a work in progress. But as long as I've been a part of this movement, I've never seen one negative impact of juggalo society upon it's own members or those on the outside looking in.
More than likely, your "POV" was either impressed upon by another's opinions or you have had a runin with an idiot who claims juggalo. I've seen some pretty bad things done and said by 12 year old christians, but I don't judge the whole religion by what a few kids do. And I sure don't run up on the Christian article discussion and complain about "POV issues". In short, try to open your mind a little, who knows, you may let something in...
Steven 'Resident Juggalo' Pound
Material edited from Horrorcore
The following section used to be in the article for horrorcore. Since there is an article on Juggalo already, I removed that material and placed a simple "see also" link. Since the article here seems to provide useful information already, I figured it'd be better to make the material removed from the other page available here in case anybody wants to use it.
There is a rising sub-culture from the horrorcore genre, especially among Insane Clown Posse fans, known as "Juggalo" (females known as "Jugalettes"). Its members take after the image of many of their favorite bands that fit the dark hip hop music genre known as horrorcore, implementing evil clown make-up and black street clothing. Adoption of many Goth, Death Punk and Black Metal clothing and style is common, and the lifestyle of street gangster is taken on in a whole new way. Some individuals come up with their own sinister nicknames (sometimes their peers do this alternatively) after the likes of names such as "Violent J", or some simply go by "Juggalo/Juggalette [insert name here]". Technically this term means someone who is free from routine, expectations, although still promoting benevolence and and family-feeling among Juggaloes. Also perhaps believers in The Dark Carnival new-age mythology.
--Dachannien 17:17, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Cleanup
The big cleanup is underway, soon everything will be much prettier. I organized the sections a little better and will soon be updating info, adding info, and deleting unhelpful information. --User:Steven Pound 16:33, 15 July 2005 (CST)
Bad fans...
I hope I'm not offending anyone here, but in the interests of NPOV, shouldn't the rabidness of some ICP fans be mentioned? When Something Awful did their "Truth Media" article on ICP, then showed off the resulting flame mail from Juggalos, well, some of them have to be seen to be believed. Granted that the people who made these flames would probably be considered 'Sheep' or 'Hound Dogs' (as per the terminology in this article). SA is currently down due to Hurricane Katrina, so here is a Wayback Machine link to the flame mail and one to an ICQ transcript--DooMDrat 11:38, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
Ask any ninja
Just ask any random ninja you find on the streets and they'll tell you that every single hatchet swingin', Faygo chuggin', fat chick tappin' Juggalo in the world is extremely protective of their way. Some of us view it as a faith, some a gang, some just music. It doesn't matter because we all family and we all hold our shit down hardcore!!!
MCL, Twisst the Dro Ninja
Clean-up
I didn't leave a comment with my latest revision because (1) I didn't think I'd have enough room and (2) I forgot.
Regardless, I have to disagree with the one person's suggestion that the article "needs work, seriously." Granted, I am by no means a professional essayist, but the article is far from unprofessional. I've seen extremely poorly written articles allowed continued existance.
What, precisely, "needs work." I believe a bit of elaboration is an order. How can if correct a discrepency that I have no knowledge of? This critic leaves this author with a negative critique of his work, yet no explanation of what's so wrong with it.
So, if you read this, please feel free to comment. Thank you.
- For starters, it should be possible to discern what the article is about by reading the first paragraph. --fvw* 23:34, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
NPOV Issues reside in the article. No attack on Juggalos. But it seems like the article makes generalizations itself. Also, simple statements given as true, with little or no factual foundation.
This article certainly needs work.
The0208 01:16, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
- I added some "facts" of anti-juggalo behaviour to prove that the creator of this article is not making an unbalanced POV. It was mentioned in the article that not all per se, good juggalos, but if as many juggalos know, anyone with such bad conduct, especially towards other juggalos, is not considered a juggalo, but a juffalo or juggaho. There is in fact a unwritten code of conduct all juggalos fallow. Such as loyalty, honesty and other common moral standards.
- Now about adding some articles of bad juggalo behaviours isn't as easy to find as when you type "juggalo" in google or whatever, you usually get alot of the many synonymous juggalo made sites.
- So as this being a poorly unbalanced POV article is kinda incorrect I'd say. As the creator said, I see no problem with the article. Maybe it's a little juggalo'esk, but the only people who really know what juggalos really are like, is a juggalo or soemone very close with one or more. Reguardless though, it's a decently NPOV reguarding what the topic is about, to be hoenst I expected to see a bunch of sladerous matirial in this article. Hell, it was obviously deleted in the past because of the very first topic in this article discussion.
- And I think Steven Pound made a good point [here]. So as far as a juggalo article could be with a NPOV, this is as best as it's gunna get. It's not like a basic science areticle where everything is well defind, it's a social order and those are difficult to define as it's about a vast and diverse.
ICP Merge?
I would like to ask, why was the Juggalo article merged into the Insane Clown Posse article? Both articles are completely different subjects. I'd like an explination from the person User:Gmaxwell to at least give an explination as to why he thought he needed to merge them. Plus... Juggalo applys more to then just the Insane Clown Posse, but Blaze Ya Dead Homie, Anybody Killa, Twiztid, Jumpsteady and many other artists.
Personally I think the article should be restored to it's original status.
--MJoe 10:12, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
- Well, with a lack of any explination as to why the original article was merged, I went ahead and redid the article. I added more negitive points to explain bad things done in the name of Juggalos, but I made a point in all of it to remind people the Juggalo community doesn't support the slanderous behaviour expressed by certain people who named themselves Juggalos. So this article tells you what Juggalos for the most part, should be, as far as how they act. What a Juggalo wears, talks and all is all indefinable and hell... Would go against the Juggalo philosophies.
Tagged Again, But Again Without Explanation
Why is it people always seem to love to slap on tags, but NEVER take the time to point out to anyone what specifically is the problem the tagger sees? This is really getting on my nerves. Make me just want to delete the tags until I get a proper explanation, instead of these half assed correct tags.
So someone help a Ninja out, because I don't see the problem here? It's only me a few others actually editing this article and we can only do so much.
--MJoe 20:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
Well... I fixed what I could. Next time someone sees an issue with this article, do what Wikipedia wants you to do be bold and do it yourself, especially if ti's something you know you can fix. As far as information goes, you'll have to leave that up to people wo are Juggalos or who know one well personally.
So don't put any tags on unless you can't fix it yoruself. *rolls eyes in annoyance*